As I've submitted on the other list, I may as well do so on this too. As you said authorial producers could be included, can the same be said for screenwriters who could be argued to be auteurs? I'm thinking specifically of Charlie Kaufman here. Also sorry to ruin the Tarkovsky streak. I've still only seen The Mirror and although I enjoyed it I feel I need to watch it again to get more out of it.
1. Stanley Kubrick
2. Orson Welles
3. Ingmar Bergman
4. Charlie Kaufman
5. Martin Scorsese
6. Alfred Hitchcock
7. Billy Wilder
8. Charlie Chaplin
9. Francis Ford Coppola
10. Roman Polanski
If Kaufman's screenwriting work can't be included I'd nudge the others up one spot and include David Cronenberg as number 10. I'm a little surprised Renoir hasn't made an appearance in anyone's top 10. What are people's thoughts on him?
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey - Stanley Kubrick (1968)
2. Persona - Ingmar Bergman (1966)
3. Taxi Driver - Martin Scorsese (1974)
4. Apocalypse Now - Francis Ford Coppola (1979)
5. Aguirre, the Wrath of God - Werner Herzog (1972)
6. Citizen Kane - Orson Welles (1941)
7. Werckmeister Harmonies - Bela Tarr (2000)
8. Once Upon a Time in the West - Sergei Leone (1968)
9. Memento - Christopher Nolan (2000)
10. Metropolis - Fritz Lang (1927)
Interesting list. Would this still look the same now for you? For me I'd say:
The Velvet Underground: LCD Soundsystem (though Hawtin fits too)
Robert Wyatt: Burial
Faust: Ricardo Villalobos
Pere Ubu: Daft Punk
Red Krayola: ? (Not sure I agree with Tobin)
Frank Zappa: The KLF
My Bloody Valentine: M83
Captain Beefheart: Amon Tobin
The Doors: The Prodigy
Bob Dylan: Kanye West (Hate away people)
Chuck Berry: Kraftwerk
Tim Buckey: Spring Heel Jack
Pink Floyd: Simon Posford (Hallucinogen/Shpongle)
The Beatles: Basement Jaxx
Jimi Hendrix: Simon Berry (Art of Trance/Union Jack)
And for kicks a few more:
Joy Division: ...New Order
Beach Boys: Animal Collective
King Crimson: Autechre
Radiohead: Portishead
Bullet For My Valentine: Skrillex
This list is outdated now, I don't really have an order beyond the top 10 and those have changed slightly. For anyone who cares the updated list is on icheckmovies.com and my username is 'khriz' like on here.
Nice reviews so far, I agree with a lot you've said. I really should finish my Orbital reviews at some point but haven't really focused on music much recently (mostly been films). After I've done In Sides though it's all gonna go downhill in my reviews and there'll be very little motivation; tracks like Beached have no personality. Have you heard the track Omen by any chance? I think it may be available on youtube. I used to think it was pretty good but these days I think it may be the best track they did before The Brown Album - truly haunting stuff and great vocal work/melodic hook. Such a shame it is hidden away on an early EP and hasn't been remembered.
If you check out the spreadsheet for TSPDT on the points total each film in the list gets according to their calculations you will get a better idea of exactly how critically acclaimed each film is in comparison to one another, better than merely their ranking. Citizen Kane gets 1217.42. Second place is Vertigo with 720.38! After this there is never a gap of even 100 points between two rankings. I knew Kane was the most acclaimed but this really made me realise that it'll probably always remain first because it's a fairly unanimous choice amoung all critics to at least highly regard it due to it's innovations even if they don't love it. I do think there is something in the Roger Ebert argument however, that a lot of critics like to pick it because of what it represents - unlimited artistic control, or the pure auteur at work. Even more important was this occurred in Hollywood and never did again in the studio era (though Godard would be given unlimited funding etc for Contempt in Europe which was probably even more of a nightmare for its producers). Kane was made as a vision or as art not for money as Hollywood was usually viewed. So it is like the critics sticking their middle fingers up at the box office trash and Hollywood as a whole. Don't get me wrong I'd rank it probably my fifth favourite film personally and it has huge technical importance but I definitely think the total disregard for the box office and hence uncompromised nature of the film plays a part in its leading of the canon.
I'm interested to know your thoughts on Werner Herzog, more specifically Aguirre, The Wrath of God which unexpectedly blew me away. I would have thought aesthetically he would be your thing? Though that's quite a bold statement as currently I've only seen Aguirre.
Talk to Her is a solid film that has an interesting emotional spin on it. I saw it on the same day as The Rules of the Game and 8½ so I guess it hasn't made the largest impact, especially compared to the latter, but I enjoyed it so I'll check out some of his other work at some point.
Will be sure to check those out at some point. Hmm, as I'm sure you've seen the bigger films of 2010 anyway I'll recommend Enter The Void if you haven't seen it yet as you rate Irréversible highly. I've also heard Of Gods & Men is supposed to be good but I haven't checked that out yet.
To be honest at the moment I'm mostly playing catch up with filling in some fairly major holes in my viewing history so I haven't seen a lot of recent films other than the obvious ones (Toy Story 3, Inception, The Social Network, Black Swan, The King's Speech, True Grit blah blah).
I thought The White Ribbon was excellent though extremely unnerving viewing.
I genuinely thought as a joke that the link would be for Rebecca Black - Friday. The track does indeed sound good. Good to see you liked King of Limbs; bit less that you didn't like Let England Shake. Any opinions on older PJ Harvey stuff?
What are your 3 favourite films of 2010/2011? I notice the end of the decade has been weaker for you than the beginning with The White Ribbon being the only 2009 pick. Incidently, I'm about to watch that so I have high hopes as I enjoyed Caché.
This must be how everyone else felt when Michael Jackson died. Think I'll have a freak week on my iPod in honour of him. After all I found out the news from the Residents facebook page.
As I've submitted on the other list, I may as well do so on this too. As you said authorial producers could be included, can the same be said for screenwriters who could be argued to be auteurs? I'm thinking specifically of Charlie Kaufman here. Also sorry to ruin the Tarkovsky streak. I've still only seen The Mirror and although I enjoyed it I feel I need to watch it again to get more out of it.
1. Stanley Kubrick
2. Orson Welles
3. Ingmar Bergman
4. Charlie Kaufman
5. Martin Scorsese
6. Alfred Hitchcock
7. Billy Wilder
8. Charlie Chaplin
9. Francis Ford Coppola
10. Roman Polanski
If Kaufman's screenwriting work can't be included I'd nudge the others up one spot and include David Cronenberg as number 10. I'm a little surprised Renoir hasn't made an appearance in anyone's top 10. What are people's thoughts on him?
Long time since I've been here, but here goes!
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey - Stanley Kubrick (1968)
2. Persona - Ingmar Bergman (1966)
3. Taxi Driver - Martin Scorsese (1974)
4. Apocalypse Now - Francis Ford Coppola (1979)
5. Aguirre, the Wrath of God - Werner Herzog (1972)
6. Citizen Kane - Orson Welles (1941)
7. Werckmeister Harmonies - Bela Tarr (2000)
8. Once Upon a Time in the West - Sergei Leone (1968)
9. Memento - Christopher Nolan (2000)
10. Metropolis - Fritz Lang (1927)
Interesting list. Would this still look the same now for you? For me I'd say:
The Velvet Underground: LCD Soundsystem (though Hawtin fits too)
Robert Wyatt: Burial
Faust: Ricardo Villalobos
Pere Ubu: Daft Punk
Red Krayola: ? (Not sure I agree with Tobin)
Frank Zappa: The KLF
My Bloody Valentine: M83
Captain Beefheart: Amon Tobin
The Doors: The Prodigy
Bob Dylan: Kanye West (Hate away people)
Chuck Berry: Kraftwerk
Tim Buckey: Spring Heel Jack
Pink Floyd: Simon Posford (Hallucinogen/Shpongle)
The Beatles: Basement Jaxx
Jimi Hendrix: Simon Berry (Art of Trance/Union Jack)
And for kicks a few more:
Joy Division: ...New Order
Beach Boys: Animal Collective
King Crimson: Autechre
Radiohead: Portishead
Bullet For My Valentine: Skrillex
This list is outdated now, I don't really have an order beyond the top 10 and those have changed slightly. For anyone who cares the updated list is on icheckmovies.com and my username is 'khriz' like on here.
Pink Floyd and Van Der Graaf Generator both pose similar problems with some better looking guys being offset by...yeaaaah, Roger Waters anyone?
Nice reviews so far, I agree with a lot you've said. I really should finish my Orbital reviews at some point but haven't really focused on music much recently (mostly been films). After I've done In Sides though it's all gonna go downhill in my reviews and there'll be very little motivation; tracks like Beached have no personality. Have you heard the track Omen by any chance? I think it may be available on youtube. I used to think it was pretty good but these days I think it may be the best track they did before The Brown Album - truly haunting stuff and great vocal work/melodic hook. Such a shame it is hidden away on an early EP and hasn't been remembered.
If you check out the spreadsheet for TSPDT on the points total each film in the list gets according to their calculations you will get a better idea of exactly how critically acclaimed each film is in comparison to one another, better than merely their ranking. Citizen Kane gets 1217.42. Second place is Vertigo with 720.38! After this there is never a gap of even 100 points between two rankings. I knew Kane was the most acclaimed but this really made me realise that it'll probably always remain first because it's a fairly unanimous choice amoung all critics to at least highly regard it due to it's innovations even if they don't love it. I do think there is something in the Roger Ebert argument however, that a lot of critics like to pick it because of what it represents - unlimited artistic control, or the pure auteur at work. Even more important was this occurred in Hollywood and never did again in the studio era (though Godard would be given unlimited funding etc for Contempt in Europe which was probably even more of a nightmare for its producers). Kane was made as a vision or as art not for money as Hollywood was usually viewed. So it is like the critics sticking their middle fingers up at the box office trash and Hollywood as a whole. Don't get me wrong I'd rank it probably my fifth favourite film personally and it has huge technical importance but I definitely think the total disregard for the box office and hence uncompromised nature of the film plays a part in its leading of the canon.
I'm interested to know your thoughts on Werner Herzog, more specifically Aguirre, The Wrath of God which unexpectedly blew me away. I would have thought aesthetically he would be your thing? Though that's quite a bold statement as currently I've only seen Aguirre.
Talk to Her is a solid film that has an interesting emotional spin on it. I saw it on the same day as The Rules of the Game and 8½ so I guess it hasn't made the largest impact, especially compared to the latter, but I enjoyed it so I'll check out some of his other work at some point.
Will be sure to check those out at some point. Hmm, as I'm sure you've seen the bigger films of 2010 anyway I'll recommend Enter The Void if you haven't seen it yet as you rate Irréversible highly. I've also heard Of Gods & Men is supposed to be good but I haven't checked that out yet.
To be honest at the moment I'm mostly playing catch up with filling in some fairly major holes in my viewing history so I haven't seen a lot of recent films other than the obvious ones (Toy Story 3, Inception, The Social Network, Black Swan, The King's Speech, True Grit blah blah).
I thought The White Ribbon was excellent though extremely unnerving viewing.
I genuinely thought as a joke that the link would be for Rebecca Black - Friday. The track does indeed sound good. Good to see you liked King of Limbs; bit less that you didn't like Let England Shake. Any opinions on older PJ Harvey stuff?
Funny you should ask that, I've got Talk to Her on the dload as I type this. I'll tell you what I think.
What are your 3 favourite films of 2010/2011? I notice the end of the decade has been weaker for you than the beginning with The White Ribbon being the only 2009 pick. Incidently, I'm about to watch that so I have high hopes as I enjoyed Caché.
Woah, yeah first since Ocean Songs in 1998. I think he's just trying to distract people as the new Radiohead album comes out ;)
This must be how everyone else felt when Michael Jackson died. Think I'll have a freak week on my iPod in honour of him. After all I found out the news from the Residents facebook page.