Every style of music ever created (about 95% complete)

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  • I think this is just about every style, but feel free to mention any I may have missed. This is forever a work in progress, after all.
  • Table of Contents
  • 1.Music
  • --1.Pop/Rock [zz001]
  • ------Rock
  • ------Pop
  • ------Country
  • ------Blues
  • ------Gospel
  • ------Vocal
  • ------Easy Listening
  • --2.Electronic music [zz002]
  • ------Rap/Hip-hop
  • ------Electro
  • ------Trance
  • ------House
  • ------Garage
  • ------Techno
  • ------Breakbeat
  • ------Jungle
  • ------Hardcore
  • ------Ambient/Downtempo
  • ------Progressive
  • ------Reggae
  • ------Acid
  • ------Video Game Music
  • ------Industrial
  • ------Mesh
  • --3.Classical/Melodic/Instrumental/Orchestral [zz003]
  • ------Classical
  • ------Jazz
  • ------Soundtrack
  • ------Holiday
  • --4.Cultural [zz004]
  • ------Folk
  • ------Ethnic
  • ------Cajun
  • ------Celtic
  • ------Bluegrass
  • ------Latin
  • --5.Experimental [zz005]
  • ------Avante-Garde
  • --6.Tunes [zz006]
  • ------Children's
  • ------Ditties
  • ------Humour
  • 2.Music??? [zz007]
  • ----Stories on Tape
  • ----Spoken Word
  • ----Nature
  • Area 1: Music:
  • This whole section below is impossible to call anything but music, unless you're attacking the genre.
  • UBERGENRE 1: POPROCK [zz001]
  • Rock:
  • Rock [U2 - Beautiful Day]
  • Alternative [Rage Against the Machine - Guerilla Radio]
  • Punk [Motorhead - Ace of Spades]
  • Power-pop [Super Furry Animals - Something 4 the Weekend]
  • Punk pop [Sum 41 - Fat Lip]
  • Hardcore Punk [Rancid - Time Bomb]
  • Old-School Punk [Ramones - I Wanna Be Sedated]
  • Nu-metal hardcore [Hatebreed - Betrayed]
  • Metal [Metallic - Enter Sandman]
  • Screamer Metal [most ACDC]
  • Death Metal [Amen - Coma America]
  • Ska [Planet Smashers - Blind]
  • Heavy Metal
  • Grunge [Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit]
  • Acoustic [Oasis - Wonderwall]
  • New Wave Punk [AFI - Gir'l Not Grey]
  • Emo [Dashboard Confessional - Hands Down]
  • Emocore [A Static Lullaby - Nightmares Win 6-0]
  • Screamo [Alexis on Fire - Pulmonary Archery]
  • Indie Rock [Broken Social Scene - KC Accidental]
  • Industrial Rock [Nine Inch Nails - March of the Pigs]
  • Fantasy/Power metal [Manowar - Battle Hymn]
  • Hardcore Emo [Blood Brothers - Guitarmy]
  • Glam Rock [David Bowie]
  • "Emo" Pop [Good Charlotte - Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous]
  • Classic rock [Rolling Stones - Satisfaction]
  • Psychedelic Rock [Pink Floyd - The Wall]
  • Hard Rock [Marylin Mason - Beautiful People]
  • Christian Rock [Jars of Clay - Little Drummer Boy]
  • Christian Alternative [Switchfoot - Meant to Live]
  • Satanist Metal [Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss]
  • Hard Christian Rock [POD - Boom] (I know it's hard to believe...)
  • Piano Rock [Billy Joel - Piano Man]
  • Art/Progressive Rock [Peter Gabriel - Shock the Monkey]
  • College Rock [Sun Kil Moon - Floating]
  • Rockabilly (country rock?) [The Paladins - El Matador]
  • Anarchic Rock [Pennywise - F*** the Authority]
  • Acid Rock [Iron Butterfly - In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida]
  • Horror Rock [Rob Zombie - Dragula]
  • Shock Rock [Alice Cooper - Spirits Rebellious]
  • Sadcore/Slowcore [Red House Painters - Down Though]
  • Dark Cabaret [Working For The Man - Dave Gerard]
  • Hardcore Metal [Slayer - Raining Blood]
  • Speed Metal [Megadeth - Moto Psycho]
  • Space Rock [Godspeed you Black Emporer - The Dead Flag Bues]
  • Post-Grunge [Fastball - The Way]
  • Aboriginal Rock [Redbone - Come and Get Your Love]
  • Foreign Language Rock [Café Tacuba - Cero y Uno]
  • Pop-Metal [Van Halen - Jump]
  • Frat Rock [Isley Brothers - It's Your Thing]
  • Post-Hardcore [Summer Section Drowning - Windowpane]
  • Post-Punk [The Cure - Walk]
  • Funk Metal [Red Hot Chili Peppers - Fight Like a Brave]
  • Garage Rock [13th Floor Elevators - You're Gonna Miss Me]
  • Garage Punk
  • Garage Metal
  • Heartland Rock
  • Oi! (The sample is the song that gave the genre it's name) [Cockney Rejects - Oi Oi Oi]
  • Experimental Rock
  • Folk Rock
  • Paisley Underground
  • Tribute (AKA Cover) [NOFX - I Want You To Want Me]
  • Thrash [Kraut - Get Away]
  • Obscuro
  • Third Wave Ska [The Pilfers - Hypnotized]
  • Euro-Rock
  • Noise-Rock
  • No Wave
  • New Zealand Rock
  • New York Punk
  • Detroit Rock
  • Neo-Glam
  • Neo-Classical Metal
  • Sophisti-Pop
  • LA Punk
  • Slowcore
  • Aussie Rock
  • 80's Hair
  • Acid Rock
  • Proto-Punk
  • Kraut Rock
  • Instrumental Rock
  • Ska-Punk
  • Math Rock
  • Lo-Fi
  • Pub Rock
  • Psychobilly
  • Glitter [Gary Glitter - Remember Me This Way]
  • Goth Metal
  • Grindcore
  • Queercore
  • British Punk
  • Feminist Punk
  • American Underground
  • Roots Rock
  • Shoegazing
  • Alternative Metal
  • Neo-Psychedelia
  • Cocktail
  • Madchester
  • Industrial Metal
  • Cowpunk
  • Japanese Rock
  • Neo-Progressive
  • C-86
  • British Trad Rock
  • Rockabilly Revival
  • Jam Band
  • Avant-Prog
  • Blaxploitation
  • Chinese Pop-Rock
  • Retro Rock
  • Progressive Metal
  • Rock n' Roll
  • Sludge Metal
  • Stoner Metal
  • Speed Metal
  • Tex-Mex
  • Spanish Rock
  • Rap-Rock
  • Skatepunk
  • Guitar Virtuoso
  • Scandinavian Metal
  • Feminist Punk [Pretenders - Tattooed Love Boys]
  • Garage Rock Revival [White Stripes - Seven Nation Army]
  • Cowpunk or Country Punk [Jason and The Scorchers]
  • Rockabilly Revival [Stray Cats - Sexy and 17]
  • Folk Rock [Bob Dylan - Like A Rolling Stone]
  • Detroit Rock [MC5 - Kick Out The Jams]
  • New York Punk [New York Dolls]
  • Nonsense Rock/Instrumental Rock [Focus - Hocus Pocus]
  • Parody Rock [Weird Al Yankovic]
  • Guitar Virtuoso [Joe Satriani - Back To Shalla-Bal]
  • Heartland Rock [John Mellencamp - Rockin' In The USA]
  • Feminist Rock [Joan Jett - Bad Reputation]
  • Jam Band [Allman Brothers Band - In Memory of Elizabeth Reed]
  • Tex-Mex [Texas Tornados - Adios Mexico]
  • Nu-metal [System of a Down - Jet Pilot]
  • Post Rock [Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Moya]
  • Psychedilica [Pierre Henry - Too Fortiche]
  • Riot Grrl (Babes in Toyland - Swamp Pussy)
  • Pig F--- (Big Black - Cables)
  • Pop:
  • 50's pop [Gary and Bing Crosby - Play A Simple Melody]
  • Bubblegum pop (60's pop) [Chiffons - He's so Fine]
  • 70's pop [Walter Becker Donald Fagen - Sun Mountain]
  • Hot Rod [Beach boys - Little Deuce Coupe]
  • Instrumental Surf [Beach Boys - Wipeout]
  • Vocal Surf [Beach Boys - California Girls]
  • Beach [Lighthouse - Sunny Days]
  • Teen Idol [Britney Spears - Oops I did it Again]
  • Indie Pop [Belle and Sebastian - I'm waking up to us]
  • TV theme pop [The Monkees - Theme from The Monkees]
  • Dream pop [Air - Talisman] (This is a very good genre, a mix of pop and ambient.)
  • Jangle-Pop
  • Italian Pop
  • Hong Kong Pop
  • Sophisti-Pop
  • Noise-Pop
  • Teen Pop
  • AM Pop
  • Surf Revival
  • Shibuya-Kei
  • International Pop
  • Canto-pop
  • Mando-pop
  • Space Pop
  • French Pop [Jean jacques Perry - E.V.A.]
  • Girl Groups [The Chiffons - He's So Fine]
  • Country:
  • Early Country
  • Modern Country [Brooks & Dunn - My Maria]
  • Humor Country [Johnny Cash - A boy named Sue]
  • Story Country
  • Western Swing
  • Barnyard Dance [Rednex - Cotton-eye Joe]
  • Gospel
  • Pop Country [Shania Twain - up]
  • Square Dance
  • Cowboy songs
  • Alternative country
  • Country Rock
  • Country Punk
  • Spoken country
  • Texas Blues
  • Acappella blues/gospel/country
  • Truck Driving songs
  • Jukejoint Blues
  • Honky Tonk
  • Outlaw Country
  • Urban Cowboy
  • New Traditional Country
  • Country-Folk
  • Outlaw Country
  • Progressive Country
  • Americana
  • Cowboy
  • Rodeo
  • Appalachian Folk
  • Honky Tonk
  • Bakersfield Sound
  • Instrumental Country
  • String Band
  • Jug Band
  • Close Harmony
  • Nashville Sound/Countrypolitain
  • Neo-Traditionalist Country
  • Urban Cowboy
  • Country Boogie
  • Neo-Traditional Folk Western Swing
  • New Traditionalist
  • Western Swing Revival
  • Old-Timery
  • Blues:
  • Acoustic Blues
  • Electric Blues
  • Electric Chicago Blues
  • Acoustic Chicago Blues
  • Electric Chicago Blues
  • Modern Electric Texas Blues
  • Acoustic Louisiana Blues
  • Electric Country Blues
  • New Orleans Blues
  • Acoustic Memphis Blues
  • Electric Delta Blues
  • New York Blues
  • Acoustic New Orleans Blues
  • Electric Harmonica Blues
  • Piano Blues
  • Acoustic Texas Blues
  • Electric Memphis Blues
  • Piedmont Blues
  • Electric Texas Blues
  • Prewar Blues
  • Blues Revival
  • Finger-Picked Guitar
  • Prewar Country Blues
  • Blues-Rock
  • Folk-Blues
  • Gospel
  • British Blues
  • Harmonica Blues
  • Slide Guitar Blues
  • Chicago Blues
  • Jazz Blues
  • Songster
  • Classic Female Blues
  • Juke Joint Blues
  • Soul-Blues
  • Contemporary Blues
  • Jump Blues
  • Spirituals
  • Country Blues
  • Jump Blues/Piano Blues
  • St. Louis Blues
  • Delta Blues
  • Louisiana Blues
  • Swamp Blues
  • Detroit Blues
  • Memphis Blues
  • Texas Blues
  • Dirty Blues
  • Minstrel
  • Urban Blues
  • Early American Blues
  • Modern Acoustic Blues
  • Vaudeville Blues
  • East Coast Blues
  • Modern Delta Blues
  • Modern Electric Blues
  • Work Songs
  • Early Electric Blues [Elmore James - Dust My Broom]
  • Modern Acoustic Blues [Keb Mo - Momma, Where's My Daddy?]
  • Memphis Blues [Keb Mo - Last Fair Deal Gone Down]
  • Gospel:
  • Alternative CCM
  • Inspirational
  • Black Gospel
  • Instrumental Gospel
  • CCM-Contemporary Christian Music
  • Jesus Rock
  • CCM-Contemporary Gospel
  • Latin CCM
  • Christian Metal
  • Latin Gospel
  • Praise & Worship
  • Christian Rap
  • Scriptures
  • Southern Gospel
  • Contemporary Christian Music (CCM)
  • Traditional Gospel
  • Contemporary Gospel
  • Gospel Choir
  • Vocal:
  • Show Tunes
  • Standards
  • Ballads
  • Tin Pan Alley Pop
  • Barbershop Quartet
  • Torch Songs
  • Cabaret
  • Harmony Vocal Group
  • Vaudeville
  • Music Hall
  • Nostalgia
  • Easy Listening:
  • Easy Listening
  • Mood Music
  • Easy Pop
  • Orchestral
  • Exotica
  • Orchestral Pop
  • Polka
  • Instrumental Pop
  • Lounge
  • Waltz
  • R & B/Rhythm & Blues (bridges into elecronic music in later genres)
  • Late Blues
  • Classic Rhythm and Blues
  • Jump n' Jive
  • Boogie-Woogie
  • Gut Bucket
  • Hustle
  • Funk
  • Jump-blues
  • Club RnB
  • Instrumental RnB
  • Black Rock & Roll
  • Chicago Soul
  • Motown R & B
  • Southern Soul
  • Modern R & B (falls better under electronic, the line is quite blurry, as R & B started being electronic music entirely part of the way along)
  • Early disco
  • Philly Soul
  • Quiet Storm
  • Reggae (depending on the genre of reggae, could also go under the rock ubergenre):
  • DJ
  • Ragga
  • Dub
  • Rocksteady
  • Dub Poetry
  • Lovers Rock
  • Roots/Classic Reggae Groove
  • Classic Reggae Pop
  • Soundsystem
  • Reggae Pop
  • Modern Reggae/Modern Roots
  • Dubstep [Kode9 & Daddi Gee - Sign of the Dub]
  • UBERGENRE 2: ELECTRONICA/EDM [zz002]
  • Hip-hop:
  • Gangsta Rap [Wu-Tang - Uzi]
  • Hip-Hop [Outkast - Hey Ya!]
  • Underground/Progressive Hip-Hop
  • Pop Rap [Justin Timberlake - Senorita] Hardcore Rap [2Pac - Hit Em Up]
  • Storytell Rap [Outkast ft Slick Rick - Da Art of Storytellin']
  • Freestyle Rap [You have to see the rapper live for it to really be freestyle]
  • Turntablism/Scratching [Cut Chemist - The Periodic Table]
  • Oldskool Hip-hop [Grandmaster Flash - The Message]
  • Abstract Hip-Hop [DJ Vadim - Your Revolution]
  • Southern Rap [Nelly - Ride Wit Me]
  • Go-go [EU - Da Butt]
  • Rap Battle [You actually have to go to one to hear this kind of music]
  • French Hip-hop
  • Jap Rap
  • Jazz-Rap
  • Latin Rap
  • British Rap
  • New Jack
  • Dirty Rap
  • Party Rap
  • Political Rap
  • Foreign Rap
  • G-Funk
  • Golden Age
  • Blue-Eyed Soul
  • Nerdcore
  • Guitar Rap [N.E.R.D. - She Wants to Move]
  • Grimy [Wiley - What D'You Call It]
  • Modern R & B
  • Modern Pop R & B
  • Screw
  • UK Hip-hop
  • Experimental Hip-hop
  • Electro:
  • Electro [Cybotron - Clear]
  • Neo Electro [Drexciya - Sea Quake]
  • Electro Funk [Zapp - More Bounce to the Ounce]
  • Robot Music [Freestyle - It's Automatic]
  • Freestyle Electro (a popular place for pop music to rip off) [Wickett - I Want You]
  • Trance:
  • Progressive Trance (1996-1997 definition of progressive trance) [Lost Tribe - Gamemaster]
  • Epic Trance [The Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia]
  • Vocal Trance [Alice Deejay - Better Off Alone]
  • Anthem Trance [Pulser - Clouwalking]
  • German Trance [Gollum and Yanny - Watch Out]
  • Symphonic Trance [Brainbug - Rain]
  • Opera Trance [Charlotte Church and Jurgen Vries - Brave New World]
  • Ambient Trance [Orbital - Halcyon On and On]
  • Dutch Trance [Rank 1 - Airwave]
  • Dream Trance [Robert Miles - Children]
  • Ibiza Trance [Nalin and Kane - Beachball]
  • Hi-NRG (not really trance as we know it - the 80's predecessor to classic trance) [Berlin - Sex]
  • Electro Trance [Ferry Corsten - Rock Your Body, Rock]
  • J-Trance [Ayumi Hamasaki - M]
  • Neurofunk
  • Trancestep
  • Trancecore
  • Synthtrance (an 80's genre with the modern trance sound (a precursor to it), that is often remixed with very minor changes, and rereleased. These are often club/ibiza hits) [Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence]
  • Freeform
  • Nu-NRG
  • Latin Trance [Filterheadz - Yimanya]
  • Classic trance [The Age of Love - Age of Love]
  • Psytrance [Astral Projection - Aurora Borealis]
  • Goa [Infected Mushroom - Mush Mushi]
  • Progressive Psytrance
  • Acid Trance [Hardfloor - Trapped in the Little Silver Box]
  • Hard Trance [Marco V - Godd]
  • Hard Acid Trance [DJ Misjah & DJ Tim - Access]
  • Tribal Tech Trance [Fluke - Zion]
  • Tribal Trance [Indart, Colours, & Legaz - Remember the Past]
  • NRG [Cortina - Higher]
  • Hardstyle [DJ Isaac - On The Edge]
  • Break Trance [Starecase - Faith]
  • Tech Trance [Arrakis - Aira Force]
  • Deep Trance [Quirk - Soft Focus (Hyperion Mix)]
  • EBM [Icon of Coil - Regret]
  • Darksynth [Skinny Puppy - Assimilate]
  • Electro Industrial [Informatik - Nightlife]
  • Futurepop [Icon of Coil - Former Self]
  • Buttrock Goa [Sun Project - At the Edge of Time]
  • Dark Trance [Anne Clark - Our Darkness]
  • Death Trance [Synergy - World of Bassline]
  • Psytek [Ticon - We are the Mammoth Hunters]
  • Industrial Trance [Psychic TV - Infinite Beat]
  • Booty trance [Lectrolux - The House is Surrounded] (There is only one song in this genre. That's the song. A very good song too. More props to Ishkur for finding it)
  • Neo-Trance [Efdemin - Lohn & Brot]
  • Scouse Trance [Cascada - Everytime We Touch]
  • House:
  • Late Disco [Bee Gees - Stayin' Alive]
  • New Wave House [Vangelis - Alpha]
  • Italo-Dance [Proxyon - Beyond the Future]
  • Deep House [Miguel Migs - Movin' Around]
  • Funky House [Funkstarr Deluxe ft Bob Marley - The Sun is Shining]
  • Acid House [Phuture - Acid Trax]
  • Tribal House [Papacha - Sentossa]
  • Vocal House [Love Inc. - Here Comes the Sunshine]
  • Eurodance [Ce Ce Peniston - Finally]
  • Happy House [Aqua - Dr. Jones] (a very juvenile genre)
  • Anthem House [The KLF - What Time is Love]
  • Synthpop [Pet Shop Boys - Go West]
  • Electroclash [Felix da Housecat - Silver Screen]
  • Balearic House [Morels Grooves - Let's Groove]
  • Classic House [Robert Owens - Bring down the Walls]
  • Disco House [Armand Van Helden - You Don't Eevn Know Me]
  • Latin House [2 DJ's At Work - All Night Is Party Time]
  • Tech House [Casey Hogan - Uncut]
  • Hard House [Noise Makers - Don't Stop]
  • J-Pop [Ayumi Hamasaki - Trust]
  • Eurobeat [Basic Element - The Ride]
  • Dark House [Voodooampt - Nachtschict]
  • Progressive House [X-Press 2 - Supasong]
  • UK Hard House [DJ Jean - The Launch]
  • Hip-hop House [House of Pain - Jump Around]
  • Dub House [Mad Professor - Santero Dub]
  • French House [Stardust - Music Sounds Better with You]
  • Ambient House [The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds]
  • Porn Music
  • Italo-Dance Revival [Alan Braxe and Fred Falke - Rubicon]
  • Dream House (see dream trance - it's the same thing, only it's really a trance genre, not house)
  • Epic House [DJ Sammy - Heaven]
  • Garage:
  • Garage [Blaze - If You Should Need A Friend]
  • 2-Step Garage [The Artful Dodger ft Craig David - Something]
  • Speed Garage [Buzzy Bus - Jump]
  • Party/Club/Stadium Garage [Klubbheads - Kickin' Hard]
  • UK Garage [Junkfood Junkies - Hand's Up] - Pretty Interchangable with Party/Club/Stadium Garage
  • Techno:
  • Detroit Techno [Rhythm is Rhythm (Derrick May) - Strings of Life]
  • Euro Techno [808 State - Cubik]
  • Bangin Techno [CJ Bolland - The Tingler]
  • J-Techno [Ken Ishii - Extra]
  • Latin Techno [Monika Kruse - Latin Lovers]
  • Italian Techno [Mauro Picotto - Baguette]
  • German Techno [Pacou - Iron City]
  • Swedish Techno [Ben Sims - Eroticon]
  • Schranz [Andrew Wooden & Chris Liebing - Dandu Groove]
  • Gloomcore [Green Velvet - La La Land]
  • Acid Techno [Dave the Drummer - Shudder & Twitch]
  • Hard Acid Techno [Chris Liberator - Black Star Rising]
  • Tribal Techno [Peace Division - Feel My Drums]
  • Experimental Techno [Neil Lanstrumm - Takks]
  • Funky Techno [T Raumshmiere - Monstertruckdriver]
  • Sex Techno [Mike Humphries & Glen Wilson - Aural Exciter]
  • Anthem Techno [Umek - Gatex]
  • Schaffel [Freiland - Frei]
  • Heroin House [Scion - arrange and process basic channel tracks]
  • Microhouse and Minimal
  • Ambient microhouse [Closer Musik - One Two Three No Gravity]
  • Pop crossover minimal (This has to be the weirdest movement electronic music has ever produced. Awesome though. Some of the best music ever created falls under this category) [Michael Mayer - Amanda]
  • Microhouse [Akufen - Deck the House]
  • Micro tech-house [Jeff Milligan - Revolution]
  • Post-microhouse (Ketamine house) [The Vegetable Orchestra - Ciboulette (Luciano Mix)]
  • Minimal Techno [Safety Scissors - Fridgelife]
  • Deep Techno [Monolake - Index]
  • Dub Techno [Maurizio - El 7]
  • Microhouse Anthem (Another really weird movement, but equally awesome) [Coburn - We Interrupt this program]
  • Breakbeat:
  • Tribal Breaks
  • Acid Breaks
  • Big Beat
  • Anthem Breaks
  • Funky Breaks
  • Miami Bass
  • Rio Funk
  • Ghetto Tech
  • Florida Breaks
  • Nu Skool Breaks
  • Dark Breaks
  • Progressive Breaks
  • Ambient Breaks
  • Jungle:
  • Ragga
  • Breakcore
  • Jungle
  • DnB
  • Jump Up Jungle
  • Neurofunk
  • Trancestep
  • Jazzstep
  • Atmospheric Jungle
  • Darkcore
  • Hardstep
  • Techstep
  • Darkstep
  • Deeper DnB
  • Drill n' Bass [Bogdan Raczynski - Samurai Math Beats]
  • Hardcore/Gabber:
  • New Beat
  • Rave
  • Ghetto hardcore [Nightmare and Devastate - Rude Bwoy Fashion]
  • Happy Hardcore [Brisk - Stay here Forever]
  • Freeform
  • Trancecore
  • Dutch Hardcore
  • Gabber [Delta 9 - Welcome to Hell]
  • Digital Hardcore
  • Speedbass
  • Noizecore
  • Metalcore
  • Speedcore
  • Terrorcore
  • Happy Gabber
  • Gabber House
  • Nu Style Gabber
  • Makina [Free Space - This is Easy]
  • Ambient/Downtempo:
  • Minimal Ambient [Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells]
  • Ambient [The Orb - A Huge Evergrowing Pulsating Brain That Rules From the Center of the Ultraworld]
  • New Age [Enya - Only Time]
  • Worldbeat [Deep Forest - Sweet Lullaby]
  • Meditation
  • Ambient House [The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds]
  • Ambient Trance [Orbital - Halcyon On and On]
  • Ambient Breaks [Moby - Porcelain]
  • Trip-Hop [Olive - You're not Alone]
  • Acid Jazz/Fusion Jazz [Mr. Scruff - Trouser Jazz]
  • Downbeat
  • Illbient [Boards of Canada - Roygbiv]
  • Dark Ambient
  • Tribal Ambient (basically stone age worldbeat)
  • IDM [Autechre - Windwind]
  • Glitch [Oval - Shop in Store]
  • Experimental Ambient
  • "Gameboy" Ambient [I,Cactus - Bamboo Cactus]
  • Chillout (is often just ambient mixes of trance songs) [Blank and Jones - Watching the Waves (Ambient Mix)]
  • Black Ambient [Toroidh - For the Fallen Ones]
  • Drone Ambient [A Small Good Thing - Ostrichism]
  • Space Ambient [Numina - This Threaded Day]
  • Military Bombast [Sophia - Watch it Drown]
  • Ambient Psy [Sundog - Seven Minutes to Midnight]
  • Squirm [To Rococo Rot - Telema]
  • Acid
  • Acid
  • Acid Rock
  • Acid Trance
  • Hard Acid Trance
  • Acid Techno
  • Hard Acid Techno
  • Neurofunk
  • Acid House
  • Acid House
  • Acid Breaks
  • Video Game Music:
  • Electro VGM (oldskool) [Mario Theme]
  • Rock imitation VGM [Music from the new sonic games]
  • Soundtrack imitating VGM [Timesplitters 2 soundtrack]
  • Ethnic Atmosphere VGM [Prince of Persia - The Sands of Time soundtrack]
  • Dream Trance VGM [Final Fantasy X soundtrack]
  • Pop genre imitating VGM [(I've heard) Final Fantasy X-2 soundtrack]
  • Dark Atmosphere VGM [Max Payne Soundtrack]
  • Atmosphere VGM
  • Industrial:
  • Industrial [Skinny Puppy - Haunted]
  • Goth [Bauhaus - Dancing]
  • Darkwave [Clan of Xymox - Strangers]
  • Coldwave [Die Krupps - Isolation]
  • Industrial Rock [Rammstein - Du Hast]
  • Industrial Techno
  • EBM
  • Industrial Rock
  • Noize
  • Industrial Metal
  • Gothic
  • Experimental Noize
  • IDM
  • Darkwave
  • Etherial Industrial
  • Dark Electronic
  • Rhythmic Noize
  • Power Electronics
  • Mesh:
  • Mesh Rock [Peter Gabriel - Come Talk to Me]
  • Mesh Techno [Banco De Gaia - Zeus No Like Techno]
  • Mesh House
  • Mesh Breaks [DJ Leemy - Yeah Yeah vs. Haan-ji (Dhol mix)]
  • Mesh Jungle [DJ Leemy - Tenu Belondi (Desu mix)]
  • Mesh Pop [Nelly Furtado - Powerless (Jösh desi mix)]
  • Mesh-hop [Rishi Rich - Nachna Tere Naal]
  • Mesh-up [Mory Kanté - Yeke Yeke]
  • Asian Underground
  • UBERGENRE 3: CLASSICAL/MELODIC/INSTRUMENTAL/ORCHESTRAL [zz003]
  • Classical:
  • Classical [Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata]
  • Baroque
  • Piano Solo
  • Abstract Classical
  • Chamber Music
  • Orchestral Music
  • Symphonic
  • Fugue
  • Brass band
  • Experimental Classical
  • Electronic Classical
  • Waltz
  • Medieval Classical
  • Rennaisance Classical
  • Romantic Classical
  • Post-Romantic Classical
  • Contemporary Classical
  • Opera
  • Operetta [Gilbert & Sullivan - HMS Pinafore]
  • Baroque Nationalist
  • Bel Canto Opera
  • Neo-Romantic
  • Chamber Music
  • Chant Operettas
  • Choral Oratories
  • Classical Guitar
  • Post-Romantic
  • Early Music
  • Renaissance
  • Gregorian Chant
  • Romantic
  • Hymns
  • Sacred Choral
  • Impressionist
  • Sacred Vocal
  • Medieval
  • Jazz:
  • Ragtime
  • Classic Jazz
  • Hot Jazz
  • Chicago Style Jazz
  • Swing
  • Kansas City Jazz
  • Gypsy Jazz
  • Bebop
  • Vocalese
  • Big Band
  • Cool Jazz
  • Hardbop
  • Post-bop
  • Bossa Nova
  • Modal Jazz
  • Free Jazz
  • Soul Jazz
  • Groove
  • Fusion Jazz
  • Smooth Jazz
  • European Jazz
  • Acid Jazz
  • Deep House [Sam & Gigi - Come and Dance]
  • Jazzdance
  • Doo-wop
  • African Jazz
  • Mood Music
  • Afro-Cuban
  • Folk-Jazz
  • Neo-Bop
  • Avant-Garde Jazz
  • Free Funk
  • Ballads Free Jazz
  • Ballroom Dance
  • New Orleans Jazz
  • Hard Bop Jazz
  • Orchestral Jazz
  • Boogie-Woogie
  • Bop
  • Hot Jazz
  • Big Band
  • Brass Band Improvised Music's
  • Progressive Jazz
  • Brazilian Jazz
  • Jazz Blues
  • Jazz-Funk
  • Retro Swing
  • Chamber Jazz
  • Jazz-Pop
  • Smooth Jazz
  • Classic Jazz
  • Jazz-Rock
  • Cocktail
  • Jive
  • Contemporary Jazz
  • Latin Jazz
  • Standards
  • Continental Jazz
  • Stride
  • Cool Mainstream Jazz
  • Sweet Bands
  • Crossover Jazz
  • M-Base Swing
  • Cuban Jazz
  • Minimalist Jazz
  • Third Stream
  • Dance Bands
  • Modal Music
  • Traditional Jazz
  • Dixieland
  • Modern Big Band
  • Vocalese
  • Dixieland Revival
  • Modern Creative
  • West Coast Jazz
  • Early Creative
  • Modern Free
  • World Fusion
  • Electronic Jazz
  • Soundtrack:
  • Cartoon Music
  • Musicals
  • Cast Recordings
  • Original Score
  • Television Soundtracks
  • Film Music Soundtracks
  • Movie Themes
  • Musical Theater
  • Spy Music (surprisingly, this IS a genre)
  • Holiday (Crosses over with cultural):
  • Halloween (usually just tapes full of creepy sounds)
  • Chanukah
  • Christmas Carols
  • Easter
  • Wedding Music
  • UBERGENRE 4: CULTURAL [zz004]
  • Folk:
  • Name a country. Then stick the name of the country before the word folk. If you do this with every country, you will have every style of folk. (with some exceptions. Those are below.)
  • Sea Chanty
  • Singer-Songwriter
  • Skiffle [Lonnie Donnegan - I Wanna go Home]
  • Anti-Folk
  • Appalachian Folk
  • Jug Bands
  • Contemporary Folk
  • Political Folk
  • Drinking Songs
  • Progressive Folk
  • Field Recordings
  • Finger-Picked Guitar
  • Folk Revival
  • Traditional Folk
  • Folk-Jazz
  • Urban Folk
  • Folk-Pop
  • European Folk
  • African Folk
  • French Folk
  • Greek Folk
  • Armenian Folk
  • Hungarian Folk
  • British Folk
  • Italian Folk
  • Russian Folk
  • Bulgarian Folk
  • Jewish Folk
  • International Folk
  • Indian Folk
  • Ethnic: (no examples for this stuff ever)
  • American Yodeling [Slim Whitman - anything]
  • Yodeling
  • Marches
  • Indian Soundtrack
  • Throat Singing
  • Aboriginal Rock
  • Flamenco
  • Nyahbinghi
  • Africa Folklore
  • Omutibo
  • Pan-Global
  • Afro-Beat
  • Fuji
  • Party Soca
  • Afro-Cuban
  • Georgian Choir
  • Pipe Bands
  • Afro-Pop
  • Giddha
  • Political Reggae
  • Andalus Classical
  • Pygmy
  • Apala
  • Guaguancó
  • Qawwali
  • Armenian
  • Gwo Ka
  • Quadrille
  • Gypsy
  • Raga
  • Bachata
  • Hebrew
  • Ragga
  • Bava
  • Highlife Rai
  • Beguine
  • Rapso
  • Beguine
  • Vide
  • Indian Art Film Music
  • Belair
  • Indian Classical
  • Reggae-Gospel
  • Belly Dancing
  • Reggae-Caribbean
  • Bhangra
  • Indian Pop
  • Reggae-Pop
  • Biguine Moderne
  • Indigenous
  • Rembetika
  • Bikutsi
  • Rhumba
  • Bluebeat
  • Bombara
  • Inuit
  • Roots Reggae
  • Sarangi
  • Cadence
  • Jewish Music
  • Séga
  • Calypso
  • Jit
  • Sharki
  • Caribbean Folk
  • Juju
  • Carnatic
  • Junkanoo
  • Slack-Key Guitar
  • Celtic
  • Klezmer
  • Smooth Reggae
  • Celtic-British Isles
  • Kora
  • Soca
  • Central Asia
  • Laika
  • Social Commentary
  • Central Europe
  • Sonero
  • Ceremonial
  • Makossa
  • Soukous
  • Changui
  • Marabi
  • South African Folk
  • Chants
  • Mbalax
  • South African Pop
  • Charanga
  • Mbaqanga
  • Chassidic
  • Mbira
  • South Pacific
  • Chimurenga
  • Mbube
  • Spanish Folk
  • Chouval Bwa
  • Mbuti
  • Choral Steel Band
  • Compas
  • Mediterranean
  • Switzerland Folk
  • Contemporary Flamenco
  • Mento Taarab
  • Contemporary Reggae
  • Merengue
  • Township Jazz
  • Dancehall
  • Merenhouse
  • Traditional
  • Dhrupad
  • Traditional European Folk
  • Dimotiko
  • Middle Eastern Pop
  • Traditional Middle Eastern Folk
  • Mini Jazz
  • Traditional Scottish Folk
  • Djabdong
  • Moravian Folk
  • Turkish Folk
  • Morna
  • Tuvan Throat Singing
  • Dub Poetry
  • Musette
  • Vaudou
  • Eastern Europe
  • Neo-Traditional
  • Western Europe
  • Ethnic
  • Nissiotiko
  • Worldbeat
  • North America
  • Zouk
  • Fado
  • Nueva Trova
  • Simple Beat (basically this is what happened 10000 years ago, when cave men discovered that it sounds cool to hit 2 rocks together in a certain pattern)
  • African Drum (ALL dance music can be traced back here, probably 10000 years ago also. The other kinds, not necessarily - it depends. For example classical is something entirely different, since it isn't beat oriented.)
  • Gamelan (Indonesian music)
  • Rai
  • Cajun:
  • Acadian
  • Creole
  • Traditional Cajun
  • Zydeco
  • Celtic:
  • Celtic Folk
  • Celtic Pop
  • Irish Folk
  • Celtic Fusion
  • Celtic Rock
  • Scottish Folk
  • Celtic Gospel
  • Contemporary Celtic
  • Traditional Celtic
  • Celtic New Age
  • Drinking Songs
  • Traditional Irish Folk
  • Bluegrass:
  • Contemporary Bluegrass
  • Progressive Bluegrass
  • Traditional Bluegrass
  • Latin
  • Afro-Brazilian
  • Cuban Pop
  • Afro-Colombia
  • Cumbia
  • Nueva Cancion
  • Afro-Peruvian
  • Danzon
  • Onda Grupera
  • Forro
  • Pachanga
  • Banda
  • Plena
  • Latino
  • Quechua
  • Jibaro
  • Ranchera
  • Bolero
  • Lambada
  • Salsa
  • Boogaloo
  • Samba
  • Son
  • Latin Pop
  • Mambo Tango
  • Brazilian Pop
  • Mariachi
  • Tejano
  • Modern Son
  • Tropical
  • Cha-Cha
  • MPB - Musica Popular Brasileira Tropicalia
  • Chilean Folk
  • Trova
  • Conjunto
  • New York Salsa
  • Vallenato
  • Corrido
  • Norteño
  • Cuatro
  • UBERGENRE 5: AVANTE-GARDE [zz005]
  • Avant-Garde:
  • Atonal
  • Microtonal
  • Minimalism [Philip Glass - Music in 12 Parts]
  • Radio Works
  • Avant-Garde
  • Mixed Media
  • Sound Art
  • Computer Music
  • Modern Composition
  • Sound Collage
  • Conceptual Art
  • Musique Concrète [Stockhausen - Kontackte; structur1]
  • Sound Sculpture [Chas Smith - Nikko Wolverine: The Presence of Another]
  • Creative Orchestra
  • Noise
  • Structured Improvisation
  • Experimental
  • Post-Minimalism
  • Tape Music
  • Free Improvisation
  • Process-Generated
  • Sound Experiments (a scientific thing more than musical)
  • Pure sound (ie machine that generate "pure" noises - quite annoying to listen to actually)
  • Decibal Drag Racing (Groups of people fill their cars entirely with amps and speakers, then "duel", trying to make the loudest sound possible. There is a specific group of sounds they use for this. Probably the most non-physical "sport" known to man.)
  • Deterioration [William Basinski - The Deterioration Loops]
  • Spectralism [Gerard Grisey - Chants]
  • UBERGENRE 6: TUNES [zz006]
  • Children's:
  • Educational
  • Read-Along Stories
  • Fairy Tales
  • Sing-Along
  • Lullabies
  • Stories
  • Nursery Rhymes
  • Children's Pop
  • Ditties:
  • Minstrel [Homer - The Odyssey]
  • Soccer Chants
  • Bar songs [I think Right Said Fred does these]
  • Nursery Rhymes [Mozart - Mary had a Little Lamb
  • Parody
  • Any little tune you make up on the spot
  • Humming [hum hum hum nnnnn hummmm mm nnnnmmm hummm hum hummmmm hum hum nnn]
  • British comedic [Monty Python - The Penis Song]
  • Humour musical [Monty python - Brave Brave Sir Robin]
  • Pirate songs [Yohoho and a Bottle of Rum...]
  • Showtunes [The Producers - Springtime for Hitler]
  • Humour:
  • Humour skits [Kermit the Frog and Big Bird Get Stoned]
  • Prank Call tracks [You Kicked my Dog!]
  • Joke Songs [Adam Sandler - I Ran Over the Taco Bell Dog]
  • Blue Humor
  • Observational Humor
  • Christian Comedy
  • Political Comedy
  • Comedy Rap
  • Satire
  • Ethnic Comedy
  • Shock Jock
  • Gay Comedy
  • Sketch Comedy
  • Latin Comedy
  • Song Parody
  • Morning Radio
  • Musical Comedy
  • Standup Comedy
  • Novelty
  • Area 2 - Music???
  • This next area is controversial over whether you could call it "Music" per se. Technically, all sound is music, if noize is a genre. However, the next sections all have musical qualities, and are listened to for pleasure. Therefore, I think they classify as "music".
  • Stories On Tape:
  • Fantasy
  • Science Fiction
  • Espionage
  • Political Thriller
  • Romance
  • Sex/Erotica
  • Mystery
  • Detective
  • Historical
  • Children's Story
  • Baby's Story
  • Teen Romance
  • Thriller
  • Horror
  • New Age Novel
  • Religious Scripture
  • Prayer Book
  • Non-Fiction
  • Textbook
  • Intrigue
  • Literary
  • Mainstream
  • Adventure
  • Epic
  • Stream-Of-Consciousness
  • Comedy
  • Spoken Word:
  • Beat Poetry
  • Erotica
  • Poetry
  • Documentary
  • Fantasy
  • Radio Show
  • Drama Interview
  • Speeches
  • Nature:
  • This section was placed here to show that music really is hardwired, evolved, into our brains. Why, I will never know. Is it some primal instinct? What use could it possibly serve? I guess it's because mating calls used to be musical, so you enjoy music, because 10000000 years ago, when we were mooses, hearing a song would mean a woman wants to have sex with you (or a man - if you're female, or a gay moose). This section is the natural sounds/songs that caused music to be engrained in our brains)
  • A Theory I came up with but I;m sure someone else has come up with before: I'm guessing the idea of repetitive sound comes from a mirroring of our biological rhythms. As in, our bodies have internal clocks, and if a song repeats the way our internal clock does, then our mind will make a false connection to that rhythm, and we will enjoy the sound. Just a theory. We could also like repetitive sound, because our heartbeats are repetitive, rain is repetitive, waves are repetitive, etc.
  • In summary, I'm assuming all pleasant noise (music) comes from relevant sounds in nature that meant that we would survive, rather that die, eons ago. It is possibly also a connection to a)the womb and our memory of contentness; and b)our internal rhythms (ie blood circulation). This is a section made up of such sources:
  • The fall of rain (I'm guessing this warmed us up to the idea of fast rhythms - rain means water - which often means life during a drought)
  • Heartbeat (also likely a source of our enjoyment of beats - I've heard that the place in which we are most content is when we are still in the mother's womb)
  • Waterfall (sound would alert us that water is nearby - water = life)
  • Waves (same reason as waterfall)
  • Morning Birds
  • Woodpeck
  • Bird calls
  • Bird mating songs
  • Moose call
  • Dolphin Song
  • Duck call
  • Elephant call
  • The human voice - Speech (This explains the vocal aspect of music. Any music without it always has an escapist quality to it. This bothers some people, but I like it often this way. However, not all escapist music has no vocals. I guess people like to be reminded that they are part of a bigger society, which is what makes vocals so important nowadays.)
  • Note: I've noticed only (somewhat) more intelligent creatures seem to have music - birds, dolphins, humans, etc.
  • Another theory: Perhaps music is an evolutionary mechanism. Few things in the world have the power to unite a culture, to create a community even, that music does. It seems entirely possible that enjoyment music allowed for closer-knit social groups to form. This is an obvious survival advantage: humans wired with the ability to connect to music would be more likely to wind up in a community. Those without this wiring were therefore less likely, and without a social group, had a smaller chance of surviving to rear children. Humans without musical connection died out.
  • I think that's everything.
  • My Own Favorites:
  • All styles of trance except NRG and Hardstyle
  • Most house music (especially funk)
  • Ambient, except for "New Age"
  • Techno
  • IDM
  • Some types of avante-garde
  • Glitch
  • Indie-pop/Indie-rock
  • Some genres of rock
  • Jungle
  • Some hardcore/gabber, but mainly happy hardcore
  • Breaks
  • Progressive (house, trance, etc.)
  • Some classical and jazz
  • Abstract hip-hop
  • Minimalism
  • Sources:
  • My own head, and memory, and observations.
  • Google. I looked related genres up here
  • Ishkur's guide to Electronic music: (www.Ishkur.com)
  • Bob's Music Index: (http://www.bobsmusicindex.com/Home.html)
  • www.discogs.com - I found many examples here.
  • Things People send me in examples
  • Updates:
  • Update (Jan 17 2004):
  • Some samples were added for some of the sections. Then I got bored of doing that. It's very random. I haven't gotten on any help yet on this one from Ishkur's guide, but I know I'm gonna have to, especially for the sections I don't like, like techno. I could use some help finding songs in the country, classical, jazz, industrial, and some of the more obscure, blurred line alternative genres). I'll finish later.
  • Update (Jan 18, 2004)
  • Added More genres, added more songs, took in some suggestions.
  • Update (Jan 19, 2004)
  • Fixed mistakes, Added a few new genres, added a few new songs.
  • Update (Feb 22, 2004)
  • Added 1 new subgenre, and added a TON of new songs. Finished the trance, house, garage, and hip-hop sections. Added a few other things.
  • Update (Feb 28, 2004)
  • I broke down the trance section. It was getting way too big to keep in one area, and it had too many opposites to be held in one area. Also, I added a few new songs in the rock section. Plus I finished the pop section, and just added songs in general around the whole list. Also, I finished techno and rock.
  • Update (Mar 7, 2004)
  • The amount of additions today is too much to count. I found a musical guide on the internet - http://www.bobsmusicindex.com/Home.html - which was very good, and I added most of the new genres from it. Awesome job with that, Bob. However, my guide has an extreme number of genres that his doesn't. Probably about double, actually. Also, I added to a bunch anyway, and added a section of "questionable whether or not it's an actual music genre" - and some genres and subgenres inside it.
  • Update: March 9, 2004
  • Added a bunch of examples DrJimmy sent me, as well as a few others. I've decided there's no hope of getting a song for every sub-section, and I've now accepted the fact that this list will go on FOREVER. I'll probably still be adding things in 40 years.
  • Update: March 24, 2004
  • I started turning this into a guide to all music. I'm no-where near finished.
  • Update: May 20, 2004
  • I added 3 new genres, corrected a few names. No real time to edit it - have been busy. Just added a few ideas, and major omissions I remembered.
  • Update: May 24, 2004
  • Added a few new genres. Around 12.
  • Update: June 15, 2004
  • Many little things. Added more genres everywhere, made all the genres get the same level of description, and added techno does not = all electronica arguments under the techno area, since people like fighting about that for some reason.
  • Update: July 4, 2004
  • Added a new genre - progressive. Whether it should get it's own uber-genre or not is open to debate, but I think it deserves one. I also reorganized the entire thing. It's now more...accessable. You know where to find things.
  • Update: September 3, 2004
  • I've been updating all summer - just little things mainly. However, this time, I'm going to make a bigger change. I earlier stuck "progressive" down as it's own ubergenre. This is what I'm changing. Progressive is basically another megagenre of trance music, regardless of what genre of progressive it is (ie proghouse still = trance). It has all the original elements of trance, and is played somewhat by all trance DJs (althoug there are "progressive" DJs). Basically progressive = really subtle and elegant trance, without the breakdown builds. A few new samples added too.
  • Update: April 3, 2005
  • Got rid of my genre explanations, because they're all ridiculously opinionated and full of stereotypes and generalizations that don't do the genres justice. Added tag markers to find the uber-genres. Added a few new subgenres and a couple of examples.
  • Update: June 24
  • Lots of updates. That is all.

Phew! Great list...though, did I not see drum and bass on there?

I think jungle and drum and bass are usually considered synonyms.

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

It's there - I just called it DnB, under jungle.
It's a short form.
Also, the difference between the two (Jungle and DnB) is that Jungle has rougher edges, and more creativity. DnB is the more commercialized version (like Epic trance vs. Progressive Trance)

Also, with the sadcore thing, it fits under one of the styles of emo (unless we're thinking of different meanings of sadcore???)

I think we have different ideas of sadcore. It may be close to emo, but not the same thing. They actually came down from different sources. Emo descended down through hardcore, while sadcore usually came down through alt.country. Emo usually still has a rockier edge (Weezer, Sunny Day Real Estate), while sadcore often doesn't (American Music Club, Red House Painters, Low).

The only real difference I've heard between Jungle and Drum and Bass is that the later tended to be used in polite company (dodging any possible racist overtones), and especially in the US, and therefore, it tended to get slapped on more polite or mainstream music. I'm not sure it isn't hairsplitting to divide between the two. It is the same stuff, just some bands do it better or with a more adventurous spirit.

I think you are overdoing matters a bit to claim that all rap is electronica, but I shan't belabor the point.

Good luck on the fine list!

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

I'd also tend to object to a Christian Rock genre. It was simply a different lyrical content (or at times, simply a matter of classing music by the faith of the artist regardless of lyrical content), but the musical genres used were the same, even if they did tend to be about five years behind mainstream radio.

Just my thoughts.

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

a lot of overlap there.

blues, country, folk, tin pan alley, jazz, european composition.
mixing of those colors sums up popular music over the past 100 years to the present date. the rest is all haircuts, shoes, fingerprints and electronics.

First one I notice missing is Grime, a recent dance style.

A few more - Rockabilly, Brill Building, Tin Pan Alley, Singer-Songwriter (related to folk, but certainly not the same), Sadcore...

Good luck with the ambitions!

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

For Rap, I believe Southern Rap has largely carved out its own identity.

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

This is a very thorough list but If anyone ever wants to know what is wrong with music these days they just have to look at this list.

to categorize is to limit. Just my honest opinion.

True, but to categorize well is also one of the first steps to understanding. At least that's what Aristotle told me... ;)

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

Isn't categorizing this way the meaning and purpose of listology.com? Anyway I like the diversity of music. Music will become more personal over the years, with everybody listening to something different (especially with the coming downfall of the record industry). People will no longer be made fun of for listening to something different, and it will promote more equality and understanding (When everybody is completely different, it's impossible to discriminate). Also, there's more to chose from. I think what's really wrong with music is that the record industry is trying to stop this change by trying to narrow our choices, and allowing only few genres of music to be played on the radio (did U know that record companies pay radio stations to play their music? They are mostly only payed to play rap and pop nowadays, with some rock, and the occasional trance [ie Telepopmusic - Another day, DJ Sammy - Heaven, Alice Deejay - Better Off Alone, Delerium ft Sarah Maclachlan - Silence (Tiesto mix)] or house song [ ie Love inc - Broke Bones, etc.)

Wow, quite an undertaking! You might want to check out JohnnyW's Rock-era genres I like and Rock-era genres I dislike for more fodder.

I'd have to second Jim's opinion that you eyeball the two lists noted above. I know you haven't been here long so don't take offense by my saying the highlights are links. I should have looked there myself as some of my suggestions were already given.

You forgot Progressive/Art Rock, although it's pretty easy to forget. Aside from King Crimson, Peter Gabriel-era Genesis, Yes's Fragile and Van Der Graaf Generator, it's pretty damned forgettable.

I absolutely applaud you on listing all the genres that consist of techno, a genre greatly misunderstood and greatly underappreciated. There's more soul and invention there that the mainstream will lead you to believe. If you get a chance, read this book called Generation Ecstasy (I don't recall who wrote it, but you can find it on Amazon like I did). It's an exhaustively-researched look into all of techno's genres and gives proper credit to those who helped spearhead the BPM revolution. Check it out.

Generation Ecstasy, originally published in the UK as Energy Flash (I believe), was by frequent Uncut contributor and now the sadly-deceased Simon Reynolds. Yes, it is a terrific book and already something of the standard work on rave music and culture, including a good chunk of the electronica world.

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

I completely agree with you on this (the techno thing), however, there is one very easy to fall into trap that is the major cause of dislike for electronic music. Calling it "techno". True techno, like it says on the list, is one genre of "electronica" or "electronic music". However, this true techno, in the real meaning of the word, is one of the worst genres. The songs are, besides being ultra-repetitive, are almost always either uncreative, or creative to the point that it almost stops being music (there is very little middle ground). The only good genre of true techno is the old detroit techno genre, that started the rave movement.
The reason calling it techno generates hate for it is a)because techno in the true meaning is not very good, and b)because it makes everybody assume that all electronic music falls into one genre.
The "calling all electronica techno" thing came from the press in the 90's, who decided to call the - then unnamed - house dance (popular at the time - remember Snap? The Real McCoy? C&C Music Factory?) "techno" simply because it was a catchy name, and because it was taken off the rave movement. When house dance stopped being popular, and everybody hated it (the backlash that happens to every "yesterday's fad" music - ie do you still like the Spice Girls, if you ever did?), people assumed all electronic music was "techno" (in the completely wrong meaning of the word), and therefore sucked.
(then again, some trance (ie Alice Deejay - Back in my Life, TelepopMusik - Breathe (see my trance 2003 file for more details on the genre) ) is given radioplay nowadays though (albeit not usually the best)...of course, they call it techno, as always)
The much better electronic genres are trance, breakbeat, ambient, house, jungle, rap (yes it's an electronic genre, believe it or not - basically lyrics-focused house/hardcore, that has it's own special culture), and even hardcore. I'll admit some new techno is good, but it's very rare in comparison to the other electronic genres.

Anyway I totally agree with you on the soul and invention thing. Trance is considered the most emotional genre of music, ambient is considered the most inventive, and house is the most soulful (besides jazz). In fact, all mainstream music is ripped off of different genres of electronica (and since rap is popular, so is electronica, since rap=electronica) - I often hear the background of mainstream songs long before the mainstream song is released, in one genre or another. (example: listen to GEOS and Coyote - You Gotta move, then listen to Dr. Dre ft Eminem - Forgot about Dre).
One of the reasons the mainstream doesn't want you to know how good underground electronic music is, is because then they would lose money, when people converted to underground genres, and stopped buying so much top 40 music. This is already happening naturally, however, since Napster, and Kazaa, and Audiogalaxy are scr3wing them over.
Sorry - my response was a little long - lol.

I hate to sound even more critical, but the idea of calling all electronica techno started in the 80s, if not the 70s - the term predates 'electronica' and only later grew to mean a more specific branch of the whole.

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

That's a VERY popular belief, but the first electronica was in fact ambient/minimalism (as well as experimental), which came from the late 60's and early 70's. The word Techno was literally invented by Juan Atkins, Derrick May, and Kevin Saunderson in the mid-eighties for their new style of music - now called detroit techno, rather than just techno. Disco was the first style to gain any mainstream popularity - overplayed in the late 70's (did anyone call disco "techno"? Because it falls under the very general category of electronica). No, Techno was first used(wrongly) as a catch-all in the late 80's to early 90's by the mainstream press looking for a cool name. Maybe some people did it before (bleed-through effect), but that name hit mainstream at that point.

The reason for it is likely that whenever a single style gets insanely poular in the underground, songs in other styles start being called by the name of that style, in hopes that they will be played at raves more. A sort-of bleed-through occurs, wrongly. It's happening again with trance, the most popular underground electronic style nowadays. (However, house is there to fight this effect, so now house/trance is called by some clubbers and mainstream radio deejays and listeners simply "dance", which is completely fine, and makes sense, since those are the two most danceable and digestable modern styles of electronica, and also since nothing has really taken just "dance" yet) In fact, calling all electronica "techno" is falling out of practice, thankfully, since the mainstream resurgence of electronic music, this time with trance and house rather than housedance/eurodance.

It is not just a popular belief, it is the true one.

As early as 1983, Kraftwerk created an album called Techno Pop. Atkin's group Cybotron had a song called Techno City by 1984 (their song Clear is usually called the first techno song). By the end of 1984, the term techno was being used to describe all sorts of synth bands, from Depeche Mode to Kraftwerk to the Human League to, er, the Techno Twins, an early 80s synth group. Techno was being used as a catch-all (and not just in music) way before it was used as a specific term. I was there, I remember, and I can attest to that, and if you don't buy my testimony, check the facts.

The idea that it was first used as a catch-all in the late 80s is simply wrong.

Yes, it has evolved to mean something else to experts in electronica, but the average person uses the term as a catch-all because that was how it was FIRST USED in the early to mid 80s.

Sorry, but I gots to tell the truth.

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

Except that Atkins, Kraftwerk, and Cybotron are all actual Techno groups. Ambient had never been called techno, neither had breakbeat in the eighties (called chillout, and hip-hop, respectively). House was called disco, or Italo-dance in the eighties. Synthpop was called simply pop. However, some of what you say is right - detroit techno and electro were both called techno in the eighties. However, I know from an article I read on the 3 original detroit techno people (Saunderson, Atkins, May), that it was invented by them. I looked some of this up - it was actually the early eighties techno was invented, not the late, and it was pretty much the same as electro anyway (electro is more of a retro-word, but they DID use it in the eighties - it was either all caled electro, or all called techno). So calling electro techno is understandable (or vice versa), but any other genre has NO SIMILARITY in sound, and should therefore never be called techno. Besides, Kraftwerk used to do Ambient in the late 60's - 70's. They knew the difference.

(BTW cybotron has one of the detroit techno three in it)

Well, you read an article, so alright. That must be right. :)

I'm telling you, though, to a large number of people, if it hit the American shores with a slightly electronic beat, it was probably dubbed techno, and that not only applies to synth pop, it especially applies to synth pop. I can't begin to tell you the number of times Depeche Mode's music was called Techno before the late 80s, and yep, house was also called techno by many.

Reality is sloppy, and I can certainly appreciate electronica fans trying to sort it out, but I'm afraid many are so determined to trace terms that they don't have much of a problem with revisionist history. It would be really difficult to overstate the number of bands termed Techno in the 80s. Really. That's just the way it was, right or wrong, but I can guarantee that term predates the general usage of 'electronica' by around a decade. That's why it is often still used in that sense.

And I think I even mentioned that Cybotron was Atkins' gig. ;) I was establishing an early-80s date for the term, not trying to claim the band originated it. I've no idea who created the term, and I doubt anybody, Atkins not excepted, really knows who first started using the term in the manner in which it would stick.

Still, the fact remain. The idea that the word 'techno' was used to designate most all electronic-oriented music in the early and mid 80s isn't a myth. It is the way it was, and really, anybody who was a teenager or a music-loving adult in America at the time can affirm that very quickly.

And I'll just leave it at that.

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

Take out the occasional jab and I'd have to agree with everything Mr. Bangs just wrote. I suspect differences in titles may just be dependent on where you live in the U.S. or even more so - worldwide. I suspect any one of us that attempted a list like this would be handicapped in the same way.

Yikes! Did I jab? I shouldn't have, and I apologize. I certainly didn't mean to be tacky, but perhaps I was.

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

It's not like you didn't take a few yourself :) Nice clean sparring match.

Also, Red Planet - Stardancer is NOT the basis of all trance - Cosmic baby, Dance2Trance, and Age of Love were all doing it before that track. Then again that's not his specialty. My only disagreements with his opinions.

Sry the above entry should go below the one directly below this one. BLAH!!! This argument is getting really bloated and stupid. Plus I'm going off on tangeants. You keep your opinion, I'll keep mine.

The article is, by the way, an interview. As in coming directly from the Atkins's mouth. I won't believe everything I read, but I will believe anything that guy says about techno (besides all of his "I hate white people because they are rascist"-type opinions). Anyway here it is:

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/01/50/cover-mathis.php

I don't agree with everything he says, especially about all white people being subconsiously rascist. Here are my two disagreements (in opinion - since that's the only place you can dispute this guy):

A)We are NOT subconsciously rascist - that's ridiculous. The difference between black skin and white skin is a single gene. That's like saying OOOH - you have a mole on your neck. DISCRIMINATE!!! Jesus ****ing Christ. Honestly anyone who is rascist deserves to be shot.

B)Thats NOT the reason trance is more popular. It's more popular because it's more complex, and it's multi-level melodic. Actually, that's a lot like the DETROIT techno that he knows and loves. Modern techno is more like what Juan Atkins is describing - marching music with nothing to it. Mostly no one even notices the artist with electronic music. (Often the DJ though)

Then again, that throws off his credibility on the subject even though he's a musical genius. But I guess it's his opinion. Since there are rascist people out there (who should die), he has the right to be suspicious. But in reality, people like music because it's GOOD. Not because a white guy wrote it, or a black guy wrote it. If people only liked music from white people, then why is Felix da Housecat so popular in the electronic world, and why is rap the most popular music in North America, with the singers (almost)exclusively black?

Sry I went way off topic - I know I shouldn't argue with the godfather of techno, but I HATE when people point out racial differences as a negative thing. Other than that, Juan Atkins is awesome, and he was the father of my favorite music today, so my props to him.

Anyway - yeah. It's hard to say what's techno, and what isn't. I guess you can designate stuff into what it was intended to be called by the artists, and what the record companies and media calls it. Therefore both of us are right. My names are what the artists intended. Your names are what the record companies and media decided to call it in an effort to play off of already popular genres, and therefore make the companies more money. However, calling it all "techno" is an outdated practice. Call Techno "Techno", trance "trance", house "house", breakbeats "breakbeats", etc etc etc..

BTW, nice debating with you lbangs. It was fun (I enjoy a good argument every now and then, as long as it's friendly :) ).

My brother and many of his friends still refer to almost all electronic music (or even electronic elements within a pop/rock song) as a kind of 'techno', though I'm slowly educating my brother, at least, on electronic music.

Thanks to everybody for the suggestions - really helpful stuff. Also, it helps somewhat (if possible), if you now the major genre the new subgenres fit under.

I'll add all the suggestions to the list.

A few suggestions you might want to consider for your "Country" category*.

Alternative country – Steve Earle, Ryan Adams, Dwight Yoakam

Country Rock – Graham Parsons, Grateful Dead, early Eagles, Travis Tritt

Country Punk – Uncle Tupelo, The Blacks, Jason & the Scorchers

Spoken country – Hank Williams as “Luke the Drifter” (in a category of it’s own)

Texas Blues – Johnny Winter, Janis Joplin, Townes Van Zandt (usually out of Austin)

Acappella blues/gospel/country – Fairfield Four, Blind Boys of Alabama, early Stanley Brothers

Jukejoint Blues – Adult booze or sex themed R&B from the 40’s and the 50’s too racy for radio play, but very popular on record.

Honky Tonk – Johnny Horton, early George Jones, Lefty Frizzell

*And one more outside of "country" that I didn’t see on the list: Doo-wop

Divide as you see fit. You've provided us with some great reference info with this list. Thanks!

One more:

Truck Driving songs - I suspect this is as odd a genre as there is for someone living outside the USA, but it did have a big presence in the country music field at one time. Kings of the genre were Dave Dudley and Red Sovine. You could add the "CB" related songs of the '70's to this to make it even stronger and lasting.

I really don't know why I keep suggesting examples for you when you don't use them (examples above)... just bored I guess. Anyway here's a few more.

Psychobilly - Reverend Horton Heat
Feminist Punk - Pretenders doing "Tattooed Love Boys"
Garage Rock Revival - White Stripes
Cowpunk or Country Punk (same thing) - Jason and The Scorchers
Rockabilly Revival - Stray Cats doing "Sexy and 17"
Folk Rock - Bob Dylan doing "Like A Rolling Stone"
Detroit Rock - MC5 doing "Kick Out The Jams"
New York Punk - New York Dolls
Funk Metal - Red Hot Chili Peppers doing "Give It Away"
Nonsense Rock or Instrumental Rock - Focus doing "Hocus Pocus"

I'm sure other people could suggest as good as or better suggestions. These are just off the top of my head.

Oh what the hell. It's a slow day.

Parody/song parody - Weird Al - anything
Guitar Virtuoso - Joe Satriani - "Back To Shalla-Bal"
Heartland Rock (USA) - John Mellencamp - "Rockin' In The USA"
Feminist Rock - Joan Jett - "Bad Reputation"
Jam Band - Allman Brothers Band - "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed"
Tex-Mex - Texas Tornados - "Adios Mexico"
Yodeling (USA) - Slim Whitman - anything (also kills Martians ;-)
Noise/Experimental Noise - Lou Reed - "Metal Machine Music"
Early Electric Blues - Elmore James - "Dust My Broom"
Modern Acoustic Blues - Keb Mo - "Momma, Where's My Daddy?"
Memphis Blues - Keb Mo - "Last Fair Deal Gone Down"

I just added those - good suggestions, BTW.

Thanks.

Thanks for the suggestions for that section - country was definitely the weakest section - I know very little about it. I listen to less country than any other genre (none), and don't like the genre very much (I have less respect of it than almost any of the others). However, many people do like it, and since musical taste is just an opinion, I did some research on it (even though I don't like it at all myself). Anyway, your posts really help it out. Thanks :)

Quoting Roger and Ebert: Two Thumbs Up!

Thanks. I figured as much. Now are you SURE you don't like country? ;) LOL

I'm more of an electronic music guy, and a rock guy. (and a rap guy too)

Sorry, I get my sarcastic humor from my dad. It's good you're keeping an open mind to stuff outside the range of anything you would normally listen to. It's bad only because it keeps me and possibly others on Listology from trying to define the different genre foundations of rockabilly, doo-wop, singer-songwriter, pop, folk, etc... I'd say you're about three-quarters of the way to reaching your goal of naming ALL music genres. If I haven't already said so... you're doing a great job so far.

Thanks :) I'd actually like to hear some GOOD country, maybe get a better impression of the genre. Can you post the names your 3 favorite country songs, with the artist? I'd like to download them and see if they're any good.

However, there's a condition. You have to do the same thing. (I'm assuming you don't like trance, or haven't really heard it, or any good trance. I've never met anybody who liked both country and trance). So post the names of your 3 favorite country songs that are easy to download, and let me know if you like trance (and if you do, then name a genre in my "music I like" list that you don't like), and I'll post my 3 favorite songs in that genre (probably trance) that are easy to download off Kazaa (I hope you have Kazaa lite by the way...).

Also, when I give you the names of the songs, listen to the whole of each one, without advancing. I'll listen to the whole of your songs, without advancing.

Just trying to expand my horizons. (and yours)

Go outside, find a brick, pick it up, now bang it into your forehead, go back into the house when you come to. THAT's the equivalent of listening to three country songs when you've never heard anything like them before.

As for me, I like everything except Charlie Parker freestyle Jazz and it's ilk and Opera. I really only helped with the country spectrum because that's the one that looked like it had the most missing.

Very good attitude to have :)

You pretty much think the same way as me then.
The only kinds of music I don't like/have any respect for are (most) pop, country, TRUE modern techno and opera.

Thanks for the help BTW.

I may have missed it somewhere on here, but I have to stand up for the one type of music that originated in DC (ok, I made that up, but it sounds reasonable - at least I've never heard of anything else coming from DC).
Go-go?
A good song might be EU's "Da Butt." Ah, memories. My friends and I used to drive around singing that song all the time. :-)

what major genre (ie rock, rap, trance, ambient, jazz) does it fit under?

I would probably put it under the hip-hop genre.

I'll just throw things your way occasionally and let you decide what to do with them, if anything.

1. I think Alice Cooper, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie, etc... are considered "Shock Rock".

2. Barnyard dancing is better known as "Square Dancing".

3. Doo-Wop is primarily not Jazz. "Urban street corner acappella" is the closest I could come to a name. Help anyone?

4. "Skreeching Hyena" music - Early Yoko Ono. (only half serious ;)

5. Go ahead and use my examples in the country catagory if you want. There spot on.

6. There was one specific genre of pop that stood alone during it's time, but it's an old one. Late 60's "Bubblegum Music". Not to be confused with:
"Teen Idol" (Fabian to Britney),
"TV production pop" (Monkees, Partridge Family),
"Surf Music" (Dick Dale and his Deltones),
"Hot Rod" (Jan & Dean, Beach Boys).

7. "Acid Rock" - King Crimson, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Pink Floyd, Iron Butterfly, etc...

One more I didn't see - "Speed Metal" - Megadeth, early Metallica, etc

All of that is really helpful, and thanks for that, but there's one thing I disagree with.
Barnyard dancing is very different from square dancing. Square dancing has a caller over country beats/violin, calling out moves, whereas barnyard dancing is a mixture of house and country. (the song I put down is the best example of this, and the only one to ever become popular).

Square dancing also has that whole swing your partner do-see-so type stuff, whereas barnyard dancing doesn't.

Yeah, I see your point about Barnyard. I'd just never heard it called by a name before. Now I remember seeing it in old westerns.

While I'm here, how about Lonnie Donegan's "Skiffle". It influenced The Beatles.

what genre is it?

You'd have to ask a Brit that question. The one Listologist who might best answer your question is the "professor" but he doesn't have an address. Either does "pennini" .

I've actually got a book on it, but I'll wait to see if anybody else pops in with the answer.

Skiffle is most often considered folk music but you could easily stick it under country and not be out of place. Of course you could say that about a lot of folk and country records.


Yup - Folk or Country will do fine.

There is very little in the way of 'country' music in the UK, other than American country music. British 'country' music is usually categorised as 'folk' over here. Country music almost always seems to be American.

When U give me the artist names, can you send a song name with, and the major genre it falls under too? It makes it MUCH easier for me - I don't have to research it as much if you do.


Without wishing to offend anyone, in my opinion categorising music like this is total and utter nonsense. Music is about how it makes you feel, not about categorising genres. That is why I love all different types of music (rock, rap, reggae, folk, classical, opera, soul, blues etc), because it makes me feel exhilarated, or sad, or whatever ...

I do recognise that it can sometimes be useful to have some broad categories, but not to this degree.

In my opinion, virtually every other song could be given its own category by this extrapolation. Even songs by the same artists can be put into different categories. For example, the Beatles' Back In The USSR (Rock'n Roll), Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da (pop or reggae or skiffle), Let It Be (blues). I only say 'virtually every other song' because some songs are similar to others. I could name a hundred examples.

By this criteria, to demonstrate my point (and for a bit of fun if you like) I challenge anyone to name a song (that I am familar with) and I could invent a category for it (and maybe even some songs that I have never heard).

IMHO

No offense taken, but categorization is helpful - most people like certain "sound areas". As in, a genre that hits them the most strongly, based on their situation. If you read the conversations and arguments above, you'll see MANY examples of this. 2 examples I made earlier - I haven't met anybody who liked both trance and country, or (TRUE) techno and trance. Also, most people who like rap or pop are very unlikely to like any underground/unpopular music. Rap and punk seem to hate each other too. etc, etc, etc (this is generalizing of course)

Another reason for this list is that it lets people check out different genres of music. For example, a lot of people here probably haven't heard of ambient, or Jungle. It also shows people the variety within the genres - a favorite insult from one genre to another is "All (insert genre name here) sounds the same." Showing the subgenres helps dispels this belief also. The most commonly attacked areas with that argument are electronic, which are ironically the most versatile (except classical, and maybe jazz and rock)

I do agree it can sometimes be useful to have some broad categories, but I also think categorising music can often turn off people from certain music that they might otherwise learn to love. Hip Hop is a great example of people being turned off from a category for some of the wrong reasons. Further examples are opera, and Eminem.

I love all ALL ALL ALL types of music because it makes me feel good, yet at the same time I can also hate music in some of my favourite categories.

By the way, I am a fan of rap (Eminem, Jay-Z, Nas), punk (Ramones, Pistols, Clash), progressive underground (Van Der Graaf Generator, Velvet Underground, Faust), and ambient music (I bought Fripp and Eno's No Pussyfooting when it was first released in the early '70's).

My current favourites: Free (rediscovered) - blues/rock.

That is strange how you can go this far in the disscussion beneath the statement that … Rock [U2 - Beautiful Day] … Alternative [Nickelback - How you remind me] … without noticing this absurd. The first one is a pop music or maybe just falls into the power-pop category. The second one is no way an example of alternative rock but rather reminds one of those what “…recreate the original image and music, only … horribly destroy it in the process…”, namely, Nickelback does this to europop (!!!) by adding some crappy guitara accords. Well, I shall finish right here and even not make any comments about the importance of lyrics in this subject!

"Rock", and "Alternative" are mostly covered in the subgenres of them that I added. However, since they are so general, I just put two popular songs in. Anyway, U2 is definitely rock. There's no debating that. In fact, U2 is considered one of the great bands of rock. Also "rock", and "pop" are often used as synonyms in the category of "bands of guitars". It's just that generally pop, in the true meaning of the word, tends to use synths and beatboxes (namely ripping off house and hip-hop), with occasinal guitars, rather than basing the entire song around guitar melodies. Just because a song is popular, doesn't make it pop though - the reliance of guitars in "Beautiful Day" goes against the idea of "pop". Nickelback - How you Remind Me is more debatable.

Basically, when trying to find a song that is just "rock", and just "alternative", all you're left with is opinions. (with the sub-genres, it's usually pretty obvious what goes where - until you get into crossovers).

I'll find a better example for alterntive though, that's less arguable. Maybe...Rage Against the Machine - Guerrila Radio.

For something "just rock", I'd probably go with Bruce Springsteen. It would be hard to classify his stuff as anything else. For "just alternative", I'd pick something by REM. Pretty much all of their songs are better than "How U Remind Me." Just my opinion of course...

This is all true. This is your list. One could allways name an example that's more related to the given category. Still some notes:
(1) Placebo songs are pure indie rock, the one by Jimmy Eat World does fall behind
(2) Heroes by David Bowie is probably the greatest song ever and certainly the best example of glam rock
(3) oldies rock, as I understand, represents songs written by "oldies" in their "chair days" not in their primes as, for instance, the great Rolling Stones - Satisfaction

Alright - I should make some of those changes. I'll look up Placebo. Maybe they have songs in other categories as well - Indie rock often does. Thnx.

OT: Your "war" list currently doesn't allow discussion (I only mention it because I think that's a side-effect of the clone that you didn't really intend).

Fixed it. Thanks Jim.

I decided there's no way I can get examples for EVERYTHING. But still, almost every sub-section (non-electronic) that I have now, I have no examples for. Does anyone know what songs I can fit into those categories? (I know there are many, but I don't know any)

FYI, Weird Al Yankovic didn't do "I Ran Over the Taco Bell Dog." Thanks to the Internet, Weird Al is credited with just about every comedy song in existence. I'm pretty sure Adam Sandler is the actual artist of that song.

"Every single rock band in existence consists of at least one guitar"

Eh. I think that's usually the case, but it's not required. Are you counting the bass as a guitar? If not, then Ben Folds Five would be an exception to that one. If so, then I think there are probably some other piano-based bands that don't have any guitars; I just can't think of any off the top of my head.

I count bass as guitar - it's shaped like one, is played in a very similar way. (that's if you mean "bass guitar").

You might be right, but I'm not really sure if it would be counted as "rock" music without the guitar.

The piano based bands with no guitar usually fall under another category. Many fall under dream trance, as well as singer-songwriter, and pop (ie Vanessa Carleton is piano based, but she's a pop artist).

I'm not really sure. Like I said, you might be right, but I'll just leave it until I can find some proof. I used "inductive reasoning" when I wrote on each genre (I'm not done yet). (that means basically this sort of thinking: "I've listened to tons of rock, in every major genre and sub-genre, and most "mini-genres". I haven't heard a rock song without guitar. I've never heard anyone mention a song without guitar. The image of all rock, whether it's emo, ska, punk, classic, or otherwise is a singer with a guitar (of some sort). Therefore all rock must require a guitar (of some sort).

Somebody correct me if im wrong, I might be.
Very good point BTW.

Don't know if you are still adding to this but you may want to inculde in the rap section nerdcore i.e. MC Hawkings, mc chris, MC Frontalot,MC Paul Barman and more.

Done! Thanks for the suggestion!

I'm sure there are many disagreements in any discussions like these. I am pretty into the Punk/Emo/Ska scenes, but these are only my opinions:

Punk: First of all, no real punk rocker would listen to Billy Talent. That is commercialized alt-rock. Plain punk rock would probably include NoFx, Descendents, etc.

Indie Rock: Jimmy Eat World is no longer Indie Rock. Too mainstream, especially newer albums. For Indie Rock, I'd chose Pavement, Modest Mouse, Archers of Loaf, Elliott Smith, etc.

Acoustic: Doesn't seam to me like Oasis plays many acoustic songs. I'd go with DMB or John Mayer.

New Wave Punk? Never heard of it. AFI is now almost a hardcore/punk hybrid.

Satanist Metal? Last I heard Slayer does not worship Satan. They are basically traditional heavy metal.

Post-Indie Emo Rock? Good Charlotte is nothing more than a commercial success, and a rip off of traditional punk sounds with a gothic look. Nothing Indie or Emo about their music.

Anarchic Rock? Once again, Pennywise is considered traditional punk.

Heavy Metal? SOAD is nu-metal. Not revered in heavy metal industry. Judas Priest is heavy metal.

Screamer Metal? There isn't much screaming in ACDC. They are hard rock in my book.

Thanks for reading!

Can you give me some suggestions for those genres?

Anyway, in response to some of them:

Punk: Billy Talent is certainly punk, albeit commercially successful punk. However, for anyone not knowing what the genres are, if they saw Billy Talent on the list, they would generally know the sound of punk music.

Indie Rock: The same goes as what I posted about punk.

Acoustic: I was only posting one song by Oasis. I'm not saying everything the band does is acoustic, but Wonderwall definitely is.

Definition of New Wave Punk: Basically a hardcore/punk hybrid.

Satanist Metal: The band does not worship Satan, but the song I posted by them has Satanic lyrics.

Post Indie Emo Rock: POST indie emo rock. As in AFTER indie emo rock. As in not containing the indie aspect. However, I admit I was a little confused as to what to put here, so I just posted an emo-ish band that was very mainstream and commercialized - as in centainly not indie. Do you have any suggestion as to what I should post here instead? (I found this genre name on a website - there was no definition or example attached)

Anarchic rock: Pennywise - **** Authority. That seems rather anarchic to me. The SONG is anarchic. The band is not necessarily. For example, Chumbawumba is a band of anarchists. Does that make Tubthumping anarchic rock? I base my genres on whats in the songs, not the beliefs of the bands.

Heavy metal: Not much I can say to this. What should I put here instead?

Screamer metal: Any suggestions as to what might go better?

Thanks for the help Dave!

One of my favorites appears to be missing: Post-Rock

Examples include Godspeed you black emperor!, Sigur Ros, An Album Leaf, etc.

And, I think Space Rock is far better represented by the music of Pink Floyd than Godspeed you black emperor!

And, are you still working on this list add examples and such, or are you going to stop when you've filled in examples for the subgenres you're most familiar with?

I am working on it, slowly but surely, it's just I'm really busy in my life right now (school (Gr 12 year - I have to work really hard!), drama (acting/directing), DJing, keeping track of my buddies (long story actually...), going away a lot, etc), and don't have that much time to do things like this. But I do a little bit whenever I can (when I started the list, I was having insomnia late at night, and had a lot of time on my hands, so I decided to create this list. I haven't had that much time since).

Very excellent suggestion BTW - I definitely should've thought of post-rock! (it's such an obvious genre...). I'm adding it right away.

But, with the representing thing, I don't know about finding "better" songs for each section. Most of that is opinion-based, so I just use a random example that fits under the genre, that is at least a pretty good song. (I did in fact consider Pink Floyd for space rock, but decided to leave GYBE there, since Pink Foyd's already represented at another point on the list).

Yep, understood. Okay.

Eggzellent list. I have now added "Buttrock Goa" to my vocabulary.

How about Dead Can Dance for DarkSynth?

Well, none of the electronic categories really matter - I already have songs for all of them - I just haven't entered them in yet - I'm a pretty busy guy lately...

Great suggestion anyway! (I think I already have Dead Can Dance considered for that section...)

Thanks!

How about Gamelan (Indonesian)?

done, and done.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Are you accepting submissions for "examples" for genres, to help you fill in all the holes?

Oh for sure! That would really be appreciated.

Suggested examples:

Progressive Metal: "Dream Theater - Pull Me Under" or "Fates Warning - Anarachy Divine"
Instrumental Rock: Certainly "Booker T & the MG's - Green Onions"
Neo-Classical Metal: "The Great Kat - Beethoven Mosh", or, less derivatively: "Yngwie Malmsteen - Black Star"
Thrash: "Metallica - Master of Puppets" No contest.
Speed Metal: "Motorhead - Ace of Spades" or "Slayer - Angel of Death"
Scandinavian Metal: "Amorphis - Black Winter Day" or "In Flames - Artifacts of the Black Rain"
Noise Pop: "Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space" or "Ride - Leave Them All Behind"
Torch Songs: "Marlene Dietrich - Falling in Love Again"
Baroque: "Bach - Ave Maria"
Hymns: "John Newston - Amazing Grace" (if you're talking about church hymns)
Gregorian Chant: "Benedictine Monks of Chevetogn - Notre Père"
Movie Themes: I always think of John Williams, whether it be his Star Wars, Godfather, or Indiana Jones themes. If you're looking for a memorable, well-known theme, you gotta go with one of those, I'd think.
Spy Music: Gotta be "John Barry - James Bond Theme"

'Mario Theme' could be updated to 'Koji Kondo - Super Mario Bros. Theme'

I tried to pick tracks that were both popular and representative of the genre, and tried to ignore my own tastes. Obviously, I only dealt with genres I'm familiar with.

A few thoughts on your definition of 'rock:'

When saying all rock artists play a guitar, you're missing out on the entire genre of piano rock. Also, rock bands like Apocalyptica feature neither guitar nor drums.

As far as how to define rock, though - I'm at a loss. What do Thrash, Obscuro, Post-Rock, and Piano Rock have in common? I have no fricking idea.

Also, what exactly does 'Radio show' mean. Any radio show? Radio drama? Radio talk show?

Oh yes, and one of the major and tolerable 'Sound Sculpture' tracks is:

Chas Smith - Nikko Wolverine: The Presence of Another

Does 'Machinima' have a place on this list, or is it already here by another name?

Is Italo-Disco the same as Italo-Dance? Ishkur's got a huge page on Italo-Disco up.

Lol, sorry about all these posts. The only google result for "Classical Sample Trance" is your list. Is it called by any other name, or did you make up the genre (which wouldn't necessarily make it invalid), or what? I really liked the example track you gave - can you tell me about other artists/tracks of that same genre (classical sample trance)?

I did invent the genre name.

The reason for this was, that trance with the classical influence taken to the extreme is normally called symphonic trance. However, by definition symphonic trance CANNOT remix and sample - it must be entirely original to be called symphonic. Now, the usual remix genre or epic trance and epic house couldn't take these tracks, as they don't even come close to the format of those genres.

That caused a problem - I ended up with a bunch of songs having no genre to define them by. So, to solve it, I created a sub-sub-genre called classical sample trance to stuff them under (I didn't do this very often on the list - only when I ran into that issue)

(A few other "Classical Sample Trance" examples:
William Orbit - Barber's Adagio for Strings
Mauro Picotto - Komodo (Save A Soul)
Cygnus X - The Orange Theme
Nickelson - Yin
DJ Sakin & Friends - Protect Your Mind
Luna Park - The Lonely Shephard (Monsoon remix) )

Cool, thanks!

What exactly is machinima? Can you give me a definition and sample? What genre would it fall under?

Thanks for the sound sculpture track BTW.

As to the Italo-dance vs Italo disco - I was in a hairsplitting mood when I did that. Italo-disco is in reference to the more minimal form of synthy disco that came out right after the 70's, Italo dance is the later stuff, that basically epitomized the 80's.

They're close to the same thing, Italo-disco just has more of a clear disco sound to it.

Oops, wrong term. Machinima is something else.

Well, somebody I was talking to the other day (online) said, "You like [some word begining with M and containing an I and an A and a CH and another M]?" I said I didn't know what it was, and she said, "It's like really, really fast techno." I listened to a track she recommended - alas, can't remember anything about it artist or title - and hated it.

But yeah, it was just like she said - extremelely fast techno with not much 'atmosphere' - just the notes, super-duper fast :-)

Sorry, that's all I know...

I think it might be american or rotterdam gabber, or speedcore. It might also possibly be nu style-gabber (something different), or hardstyle.

Was it "thunderous beat with blaring hoovers"?

And would you say the BPM was more like 140 BPM , 200-300, or more like 800-1200 BPM?

Was there an uber-anthemicness to it?

Did it give you images of hundreds of war-beating angry-fist Euro-psychos in a soccer stadium?

(In answering those above questions, I can tell you exactly what it was).

Okay, nevermind, I don't remember specifically enough to narrow it down...

lol. It happens.

I did a fast look-thru and didn't see it mentioned on your list, but what about Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music". I was in a used CD store awhile back and couldn't believe Reed's middle finger to the music world had actually been transferred to CD. In case you're not familiar, it was nothing but a double album of no tempo, no lyric, no identifiable instrument screeching noise. Reading the post mentioning "machinima" brought it to mind.

It falls under either Experimental Ambient, Noize, Experimental Noise, Rhythmic Noize, Experimental Industrial, or one of the Avante-garde genres.

How do you pronounce 'Depeche Mode'? That's the problem with just READING about everyone and everything - I never know how to pronounce anything.

It's pronounced Dee-Pesh Mode. The DEE isn't accentuated though - it's passed quickly, making it sound like Di-Pesh Mode.

thanks!

Darktremor - admirable work. Just a note from the Orient; Under Pop, you've got Hong Kong pop. Strictly speaking this should be Canto-pop which I can tell you is bloody massive here. Eason Chan's 'Shall We Talk?' is a recent smash if you want a reference. Furthermore, the latest craze from the mainland is Mando-pop - big in Shanghai I'm led to believe and in Mandarin rather than Cantonese. It goes without saying that both genres are at once one-dimensional and forgettable.

Have you considered hyperlinking the table of contents to anchors on the page?

Good idea! I'll do that next time I have the time...

Grime: Dizzee Rascal - 'I Luv U'
Dubstep: Kode9 & Daddi Gee - 'Sign of the Dub'
Spectralism: Gerard Grisey - Chants (4) pour franchir le seuil, for soprano & ensemble Prélude. I. La mort de l'ange
Screw Music

Is 'Post-Romantic Classical' the same as 'Neoromanticism'?

+adds

Sorry if you've already listed these, and I overlooked them, but what about:

Dream Pop (Mazzy Star)
Riot Grrl (early Sleater-Kinney)
Pig F--- (Big Black)

Johnny Waco

dream pop is on already...the other two are pretty obscure, but I can add them too...
Thanks!

"complete!" Say whaaaa?

Well, this is at this point, pretty much every genre of music ever created is on the list. I'm sure there are new genres springing up, and they'll be added when they come, and there are songs that can't really be classified in a sub-genre, but I don't think there's anything I've really missed at this point. Let me know if you think of anything I didn't get. But actually... that was a bit of a pretentious thing to post, considering the way music works, so I'll change it to "95% complete."

Plus I know I'm still missing a few.

Well, how 'bout the ones several of us have already suggested but haven't made it to the list yet: Grime, Dubstep, Spectralism, Screw Music, and Riot Grrl?

Those are all already on the list!

Wait...I forgot screw music. (Grime is under the name "grimy," I've seen it written under both names). Thanks :) Will add it.

Cool. When I made that last post, I remember searching for the page and not finding those terms, but they are there now.

'Squirm' is a type of ambient techno that could be represented by To Rococo Rot - Telema (from The Amateur View).

Excellent! Thanks a lot! *adds

I'll probably download the song too.

A few random thought. Feel free to pre-face them with IMO:

1. The Chiffons are part of a genre known as "Girl Groups".

2. David Bowie is a better example to cite for Glam. Gary Glitter should be cited as the example for Glitter.

3. Sun Mountain came out in 1986, so how is it an example of 70's pop?

4. The music of someone like Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra should be labelled as traditional pop (not influenced by rock & roll).

5. Surf(er) should be split between Vocal and Instrumental.

6. I don't understand the listing of "Black Rock & Roll". In the fifties, there was no distinction made between Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly.

7. Where is The Sound Of Philadelphia aka TSOP or Philly Soul?

8. Country, Blues, Gospel and Jazz should not be subsets of an ubergenre. They all pre-date Rock.

9. Reggae should be a subset of Rock. It relies on Electronics no more than any other modern sound.

10. Ska should be listed as a subset of Reggae. Classic Reggae Groove should be re-named as Roots. Modern Reggae should be re-named as Modern Roots.

11. Reggae Pop and Classic Reggae Pop should be combined and re-named Pop Reggae.

Excellent suggestions - I took a few of them, others didn't quite work with the list.

(What would you recommend as a better example of 70's pop, BTW? You're quite right about Sun Mountain...)

"What would you recommend as a better example of 70's pop"?

"Close To You" by the Carpenters

Just a couple of points...

Wipeout was most notably done by the Surfaris, not the Beach Boys.

I've got a song that I wouldn't begin to catagorize - Surfin' Bird by the Trashmen. Kubrick used it in Full Metal Jacket. Care to take a guess? The Trashmen were from Minnesota.

And while we're talkin' surf - Could Dick Dale be considered "surf guitar"?

Reggae (depending on the genre of reggae, could also go under the rock ubergenre):

(original-era) SKA - "Madness" by Prince Buster
DJ - "Wear You To The Ball" by U-Roy
Ragga - "Go Deh Yaka" by Monyaka
Dub - "Armagideon Time" by Willie Williams
Rocksteady - "Rudy A Message To You" by Dandy Livingstone
Dub Poetry - "It Noh Funny" by Linton Kwesi Johnson
Lover's Rock - "My Number One" by Gregory Isaacs
Roots/Classic Reggae Groove - "Jamming" by Bob Marley
Classic Reggae Pop - "I Can See Clearly Now" by Johnny Nash
Soundsystem - "King Tubby Meets The Rockers Uptown" by Augustus Pablo
Reggae Pop - "The Tide Is High" by Blondie (or by Atomic Kitten)
Modern Reggae/Modern Roots - "Jah Is By My Side" by Tony Rebel
Dubstep [Kode9 & Daddi Gee - Sign of the Dub]

R & B/Rhythm & Blues

Late Blues "Let's Straighten It Out" by Latimore
Classic Rhythm and Blues "Money Honey" by Drifters
Funk "One Nation Under A Groove" by Funkadelic
Jump-blues "Train Kept A Rollin'" by Tiny Bradshaw
Instrumental R&B "Green Onions" by Booker T And The MG's
Black Rock&Roll "Maybellene" by Chuck Berry
Chicago Soul "People Get Ready" by the Impressions
Motown (R&B) "I Can't Help Myself" by the Four Tops
Southern Soul "In The Midnight Hour" by Wilson Pickett
Early (?) disco "Never Can Say Goodbye" by Gloria Gaynor
Philly (Soul) "The Love I Lost" by Harold Melvin And the Blue Notes

"Modern R&B (falls better under electronic, the line is quite blurry, as R & B started being electronic music entirely part of the way along)"

As with your take on reggae, I disagree. Modern R&B is no more techno than any other kind of modern pop music. Is an electric guitar now considered to be an electronic instrument?

I noticed that you had the term Quiet Storm listed under Hip-Hop. I defy anyone to listen to the Smokey Robinson song that gave the genre its name and then tell me how it is related to hip-hop. It can't be done.

Blue-eyed soul was also listed there. So now the Righteous Brothers are considered to be hip-hop? What about Hall & Oates?

I don't know - it's SOO hard to say...

This list has gotten blurrier and blurrier as I've gone along, I'm at the point now where I'm just going to leave it as is, and add new subgenres. See, the problem is, lists of sub-genres are made by people particularly fond of a certain genre. When they do this, they tend to stick sub-genres that fall slightly outside of their area, but fit perfectly into another genre entirely, into their sub-genre list, in hopes of making their favorite genre seem more expansive and creative.
What I'm trying to say is, there are going to be tons of cases at this point of things being slightly on the wrong list, and regardless of what list I put certain sub-genres under, they're going to be at least slightly off to SOMEONE. (for example, in my area of expertise, house, trance, and techno fight over which genre gets credit for acid CONTINUOUSLY - using the same arguments you do, retooled for that instance).
You seem to get pretty emotional about it. It's nothing serious, you know, and this IS a pretty big list. I haven't even listened to a good number of the sub-genres on it (I'd say about half) - there are bound to be mistakes, and I don't have infinite time on my hands. You must remember - I'm doing this for you, and I'm not getting paid for it.

Your misplaced cynicism aside however, I do agree that Quiet Storm is probably better under R & B.

Moving on, most modern pop music IS electronic (except for the current "guitar chic-pop" trend blowing up right now - ie Ashley Simpson, Avril Lavigne, Fefe Dobson, etc., indiepop (ie Belle & Sebastian), and a few others...). Anyways, point being, please tell me what you hear in the background of anything by Usher, or Omarion, or any other mainstream radio R & B artist? If you take away the lyrics and speed it up a bit, you've got minimal techno (bad, uncreative, undercooked minimal techno, but still...). Unless beatboxes and synthesizers count as non-electronic instruments? In which case, I'd better put house under rock/pop, just to be on the safe side...

A genre is defined and subcategorized first by it's background, then later hairsplit by lyrical content. By this definition most modern pop music, and MAINSTREAM reggae is electronic (I'm not talking about the older segments - I had to draw lines somewhere). Reggae is split down the middle when it comes to electronics - about half of it is purely electronic, the other half is almost purely instrumental (with some middle ground - ie guitar samples in the electronic, or synths in the bands). I put it under electronic out of indecision - it had to go SOMEWHERE. I made note of this too:

Reggae (depending on the genre of reggae, could also go under the rock ubergenre)

Understand?

"You seem to get pretty emotional about it."

How can you possibly know anything about my emotions? I wonder if this isn't simply a way to dismiss my critique...

"You must remember - I'm doing this for you, and I'm not getting paid for it."

You are doing this for me? I feel so honored.

I love it when people care enough about art and artists discuss, debate and disagree. Emotional investment in creativity is beautiful in and of itself. It's hard to think of a better thing to be emotional about. I don't see how that would be dismissive of anyone's critique. That's especially true with the amount of hard work and intellectual effort that has gone into this list and the feedback it has inspired.

I do feel honoured by that... although the neglect of mesh elicits a wide range of emotions in me.

Couldn't've put it better myself.

BTW I did ANYTHING but dismiss your critique, dmille. I even took one of the suggestions. Read the full post (rather than taking two offhand, irrelevant comments out of context and attempting to mock them), it's all there.

I agree with darktremor. The very fact that hes actaully read through your critique ("and not getting paid for it" lol) and posted a nice long non-sh*tty reply to your critique tells that hes actually interested in what you had to say. Anyways arguing over art is indeed done by passionate people. Cheers to both! :D Let the good times roll!

BTW what is "mesh"? I'd like to add it to the list, if I could know what category it fit under...

...well, if this doesn't ruin the loading time (and quality) of your page then nothing will... sorry 'bout that.

"What I'm trying to say is, there are going to be tons of cases at this point of things being SLIGHTLY on the wrong list, and regardless of what list I put certain sub-genres under, they're going to be at least SLIGHTLY off to someone."

"Your MISPLACED CYNICISM aside however, I do agree that Quiet Storm is PROBABLY better under R&B."

Blue-eyed soul and Quiet Storm being listed as sub-genres of Hip-Hop might be off SLIGHTLY? QS is PROBABLY better placed as sub-genres of R&B?

I read these statements as wishy-washy and lacking conviction. Does that mean that I am getting emotional? Does that mean I have misplaced cynicism?

When I used the term "pop music", I didn't mean pop as in POP. I meant it as in popULAR. And when it comes to pop as POP, I don't automatically dismiss it as a reflexive action. I judge each artist/band/group and each song/album individually.

IMO someone like Avril Lavigne is not all that much different from Joni Mitchell and the Wilson sisters or even Joan Jett and Chrissie Hynde. Maybe when it comes to talent, but she is still relatively young and I don't see any reason that her musicianship can't improve with time.

I saw Usher in concert when he first hit the charts (97-98) and he had a conventional rock&roll/r&b BAND (guitar, bass, drums, keyboards, horns) backing him. The main "spotlight" was on his singing and there was no prominent soloing; but he was not fronting for one or two guys with a bank of synthesizers and computers. Now that was a few years back, if there has been a change maybe someone who has seen him recently can fill me in.

The more I look at this listing, the more I see a few things emerging.

One is that your foundational starting point doesn't go back far enough. You talk about MAINSTREAM reggae. Reggae didn't begin as a genre in 2005. There is a history there, as sweeping as that of American or British rock's.

Rock & roll started as a defineable genre in the fifties. The shift from Rock & Roll to Rock happened from 1964 through 1966.

How can anything by the Paladins be the best example for rockabilly when compared to say Carl Perkin's song "Blue Suede Shoes"? I even think that the commercial success of the Stray Cats would make them a more exceptable choice.

Pink Floyd's The Wall is listed as Psychedelic Rock. The Psychedelic era was over 10 years before that recording was released. It is an art-rock/progressive rock concept album.

Where is the terminology, where are the genres and where are these examples coming from?

As I asked before, how are blues and country sub-genres of Rock when they pre-date it by decades?

How is jazz a sub-genre of classical when it is an uniquely American form of pop(ular) music while classical is fully European in origin?

Now maybe some here will question my motives, my mindset, my who-knows. That it why I gave this reply much more thought than my last one.

I respectfully suggest three things.

ONE: this listing needs to be approached first from a completely historical perspective. Example: Rock&roll and Rockabilly need to be nearer the beginning of any Rock list.

TWO: The (uber) genres need to be better defined and they need to be place with-in the proper musical and historical contexts.

Examples:
(American) POPular = Traditional Pop, Jazz, Rock & Roll (Rock, R&B, Reggae)
(American) FOLK = Blues, Country
AVANT = IMO Non-rock based Techno.
CLASSICAL
WORLD

THREE: this listing should be approached from a completely neutral perspective when it comes to the artistic worth of any particular genre/sub-genre.

Statements like "the worst music in the entire world, king of image stealing and not giving credit to the real musicians behind it" and "basically ex-pop guys who try to be black - avoid this" are opinion where opinion is unwarrented. I mean, is this an informational list first and foremost or an opinion list.

IF it is an opinion list, then my critique is misguided; but IMO so it the idea for creating it in the first place. Understand?

Excuse me, but I DID move Quiet Storm into R & B, by your recommendation. What, precisely are you fighting about? You've already won that aregument. STOP BEATING IT!!!!!

Moving on, Usher is now almost entirly synthesized. As are all of his contemporaries. However, there is an inaccuracy there anyway - modern R & B can be spilt into a few different subgenres, not all of which are directly related to the James Brown etc genre of old. I'm done a little more research on it, and will shortly fix this.

I don't give each track under a genre as the BEST example. It would take me an absolutely eternity to make this list (as it already did, I'm sure you can imagine...or from what I gather off your posts...maybe you can't) if I did that.

Rock and Roll, blues, and country certainly came before Rock, but for simplicity's sake, since all the genres contained therein are all direct relatives of one another, I called the ubergenre "rock." That is, in the same way that everyone calls medieval/rennaisance orchestral music "classical," when in fact there were other periods of orchestral music that came before it. I'm cutting a corner here for simplicity, little else. Since country, rock & roll, and blues all have similar (SIMILAR, not the same!) format I put them all rock. Why did I choose rock as the name? Mainly because it's the name root of so many subgenres in that category. Think: punk ROCK, emo ROCK, ROCK & roll, ROCKabilly, grunge ROCK, alternative ROCK. You must realize, the uber-genres are not actual genre names - they are handy tools for placing similar megagenres together. (ie someone who likes blues, and wants to branch out a little, might enjoy country or rock n' roll...whereas someone who likes jungle might want to try house - do you see what I'm doing with the ubergenres? They're not historical, or 100% accurate because a)music is subjective, and b)musical history reads more like a flowchart than a list, and it's therefore difficult to put it into sections. If I had the time, I'd want to make a flowchart in flash player, much like Ishkur's guide, but like I said...time.... Anyhoo, my only option in that case was to randomly box similar sounding genres with similar properties into larger genres for easy navigation.).

Moving on, I specifically think country, rock, and blues should all be together, as they are direct relatives of one another, have incredibly similar musical formats, and have an amazing amount of bleed-through between them even to this day. They even use similar instrumentation (guitar, vocals, drums, possible a couple of other instruements), and in their conventional forms, employ the ...verse, chorus, verse, chorus... musical format.

Approaching the genres historically would be EXTREMELY difficult, as most older genres had multiple genres branch off in different directions...no, that would be virtually impossible in a list designed like this. Again, it would have to be a flowchart (which I'd do in an ideal world, and may do in the future).

Your uber-genres are only guesses, right? Not actual suggesstions as to how to do it? Some of them are extremely inaccurate: for example placing "techno" under avante-garde. Techno came from Chicago house (basically it was the "Detroit three" trying to make their own electronic dacne genre like the Chicago guys had, and getting something entirely different, which sounded machinelike and was therefore named "techno" by them) which came from disco. Techno later branched off into experimental areas (with minimal and deep techno), but these are simply applications of experimentalism, in the same way that this is done in conventional music (with artists like "The Books"). Avante-garde, on the other hand, is an artistic movement among modern classical/orchestral composers who wanted to create new "non-musical" sounds, in their boredom with convention. The only relation between techno and avante-garde is Karlheinz Stockhausen and his kin, who were the first to employ electronic instruments in music. However, by that relation, we could put 80's pop under avante-garde also. And why techno specifically? I'd say if anything modern in the electronic world is avante-garde, it would be the experimental minimalist work of artists like William Basinski, or even Mille Plateau's glitchy IDM. Techno is one of the least avante-garde worthy genres. What's left of it's Detroit roots (which weren't even avante-garde), is a)a minimal nothing of thudding beats designed to be used for dancing and nothing else, but which can be quite fun, b)artists with their heads up their own asses who refuse to employ anything new out of the Detroit sound, and c)Combination genres with trance (tech-trance), and house (tech-house), which are really the only source of any creativity in techno. So no, it could NEVER go under avante-garde.

Actually, Pink Floyd is considered psychedelic. It's primary era was over, sure, but the genre didn't die. Pink Floyd is both progressive/art rock, and psychedelic. However, you're right, I may want another artist under that subgenre, to avoid confusion. Say...White Noise - Love Without Sound?

Jazz is uniquely American, but I put it under classical because it's DEEPLY influenced by it. It might be wise to put jazz in a seperate ubercategory, but I'll leave it for now, again for simplicity. That uber-genre is based around intelligent instrumental music, and both jazz and classical fall under this.

I disagree about adding opinions to the list. This is my list, I'm allowed to express my own biases. I don't want to remove the opinions from it, and they don't detract from the actual information.

Anyhoo, thanks for the suggestions! (I'm not going to be able to make all the fixes right away, but eventually :) - within a week or so) Greatly appreciated. :)

It seems to me that your tastes and knowledge of the music is so far removed from their roots that there isn't much point in my responding to 90% of this post. BUT I think I should reply to two things you wrote.

ONE: When I said techno, I didn't mean it as in TECHNO, the (sub)genre. I meant it as in technoLOGY. That is why I prefaced the term with the words "NON-ROCK BASED". Just as when I said pop music in the previous posting(s), I was using it in a general manner, not THE specific one.

To many rock fans, songs that use synthesizers ("Lucky Man", "I Feel Love", "Won't Get Fooled Again") theremin ("Whole Lotta Love", "Good Vibrations") and/or tape manipulation ("Tomorrow Never Knows", "Are You Experienced") etc. are techno (with a lower case "t").

TWO: White Noise's Love Without Sound is at least the right era when it comes to psychedelic rock, but why such an obscure band that few if any would know about? They never had a hit song or album in the US or the UK. Did they ever chart anywhere?

Why not a tune like "Stawberry Fields Forever" or "Somebody to Love" or "Eight Miles High"? These are examples of psychedelic rock that most fans of pop(ular) music will have at least heard of.

What do you mean by "so removed from their roots"? I honestly have no idea what you mean.

Anyhoo, on the topic of "techno" as "technology-based music" - that's an incredibly outdated term for electronic music, and leads to a huge amount of confusion when it's used nowadays. The reason many people call electronic music "techno" has nothign to do with it actually being "techno" - it's because the media didn't have a name for the electronic dance music breaking into the mainstream in the 80's, so they randomly chose a electronic genre to name all of it after. They decided "techno" (the Detroit sound) was the coolest sounding name, and since it was electronic music, would be the most fitting. However, this is now highly outdated, and the term has since been discontinued for that purpose.

Now, why would electronic music be "avante-garde"? Many electronic genres of it are more mainstream than some styles of rock! For example, Britney Spears and her manufactured dance-pop kim are electronic music, any mainstream hip-hop is electronic, the epic trance and funky house hammered all day long on the radio and at every club in Europe, the eurodance that was impossible to avoid no matter where you went in the mid-nineties: all electronic, some of it definitively so. CERTAINLY not avante-garde.

Hmmm...You're right about my psychedelic example. I'll go with...how about...The Beatles: Tomorrow Never Knows?

Ah - you want to know my sources:
My own experience
www.ishkur.com/music
Bob's All-music guide (now discontinued, but very uncomprehensive anyway: I still found it useful)
Wikipedia

I recommend reading the guide at Ishkur.com. It will give you a better idea of electronic music, and why it's not one gigantic clump of "techno music."

What sort of music is Starry Eyed Surprise - Paul Oakenfold? Under google, two artistes come up ... Crazy Town and Oakenfold... I think its a mix of rap and techno.. please guide somebody...

This is pop rap (under the hip-hop section), and nothing but. There's no trance influence there at all, despite Paul Oakenfold's production on the track. Oakenfold created this in his search for North American mainstream success, something which had always alluded him to that point, and he succeded.

Oddly enough though...the lyrics are ABOUT trance music...

...well, you asked for it.
I tried to do flash research on mesh and... there's nothing. Except for something by Andrei Codrescu. It's a pretty good definition (and I'm certain that I'm not making up the name) but I'm not sure that Codrescu is any kind of authority on music that I'd listen to. Or any other kind of music. And he does seem like quite an expert on Romania and smoking. And now I have my doubts about the name.

This is what I think mesh is (and some of what I think it isn't.) Mesh is music which combines the rudiments (or styles) of two different cultures where much of the creativity, beauty and interest exists in the tension between the two musical elements. At least one of these components almost always falls into the "World Music" category. The other kind is usually something that falls under the broad umbrella of "Dance". But that is how most new styles of music start. I think that new music emerges out of late night (ie "sex") music, a negative reaction to a prevailing style and/or a blending of two traditions. Mesh is at least two for three in those areas.

This is not Mash with two separate tracks smooshed together, although the thrill of hearing two recognizable songs forcibly woven together is similar to the excitement of hearing the clash of cultures in mesh. Hopefully it is made organically with all of the musicians in the same room but that is so tough to do. It's almost impossible to keep a band together that can't find work in two different countries. (Mouth Music only lasted about three years... that forty-two in mesh years.)

The instruments involved in mesh make for odd companions and virtually require original music. Electric guitar and tabla, turntables and ney flute, dogs and cats living together. At least for now most mesh comes from DJs, remixers or other shady characters in search of a buck, euro or rupee. This is part of the reason that formerly closed societies are fertile ground for mesh, they haven't had time to be entirely co-opted by the West. The odd time signatures used in Bulgarian, Macedonian, Slovenian etc music also helps to set those elements apart from Western styles.

The majority of mesh, or at least what I'm most familiar with, comes from the global sash that runs from Hungary to India. (It's all about the Romanians.) It must help to have two internal cultures in conflict within a broader society that is undergoing a major transformation. Eastern Europe is joining the EU, democracy and capitalism (which is probably the true key to it all.) Turkey is trying to do the same even as they move away from fundamentalist Islam. India is in-sourcing a Western economy and Pakistan (Muslims) hates them (Hindus.) The Bulgarians hate the Turks. The Slavs are a tangled ball of hate and everyone hates the Gypsies. (And I don't like anybody very much.) All of the countries in this sash will tell you that they hate/admire the West but it's more complicated than that.

The thrill in mesh comes from the tension between two kinds of music. It is contrast, cooperation, confrontation, collusion and competition all at once. This also helps (me) because if you dislike one aspect of what is going on you can always focus on the other elements. What are the chances that you'll dislike music from two different countries? Throw in a bunch of sweaty people dancing and the odds are definitely in your favour. Drugs seal the deal. (Not for me. I never touch the stuff.)

To my mind, a love of mesh is partly about a process where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. It is all too common to love a mesh track at first only to discover, in the harsh light of day, that you hate what went into it. You got cantor singing in my dub! You got dub in my cantor singing! Two horrid tastes that taste great together.

How is mesh made? Sadly, most of it is mixed dance music. I'm sure that this is changing/will change as the world continues to shrink. Imigrant communities often come up with mesh as a way to preserve "our music" even as they live in the omnipotent West. It is not, however, an accomodation. It's not a melting pot or a stew. It is a gumbo with distinct and contrasting elements and plenty of napkins. Chunks of this and hunks of that and chicks of all sorts.

Have I ever heard mesh before? Probably, or, sort of. Peter Gabriel uses many different elements of musical styles in a way that I would consider "meshy." Through his work at the Real World studios and the Real World label he has helped to incubate and cross-pollinate a great deal of true mesh. Every time that he brings in an artist to work with Michael Brook, David Bottrill, Daniel Lanois, etc. it often results in mesh. Think about the bridge in Come Talk To Me on his So album where he uses a sample from the Dmitri Pokrovsky Ensemble. That's mesh in miniature. I've been told that Gabriel's ancestry is Armenian and that makes so much sense that it must be true. I'm fairly certain that in two decades he will be regarded as the spiritual (god)father of mesh. (David Byrne and Brian Eno might also get some recognition.)

So who does mesh? Not that there is a hard and fast (or any) definition of true mesh but I think that there are plenty of people/artists who try to cloak themselves in the aura of multi-cultural-critical-analysis-intellectual cool. Nelly Furtado is trying to project a mesh image but there's much more ABBA in her music than Abbasid. By the same token, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is to mesh what James Brown is to rap. NFAK has probably been sampled more often than JB but he made very little music that can be considered mesh before he died. Since death he's been doing primarily mesh.

No, really. Who does mesh? That's like asking "Who does disco?" in the early 70s. It's probably true that you can only find true mesh with a Hungarian friend between 1:00-4:00AM on a Thursday morning. Assuming that you have a job (or ever want to get a job) that's no way to listen to music. Just wait a little while, mesh will/might be the next big thing. Of course once MTV-Desi gets going it will all be called "Desi" and the labels will all become meaningless vanilla or, more accurately, yogurt... lactobacillus bulgaricus.

Should I punch you in the snoot? In my opinion, Mouth Music, Bally Sagoo, cj b2men, Ali Khan, jösh, DJ Cheb I Sabbah, DJ Toby Marks, Notkin, DJ Leemy.... For now almost anything with "Desi" in the title will do.

Peter Gabriel (as mesh as he ever gets) When You're Falling
DJ Toby Marks Zeus No Like Techno and Mafich Arabi (Temple Hedz Mix)
DJ Leemy (hey everybody! it's a meshmash with Bally Sagoo) Yeah yeah vs. Haan-Ji (Dhol Mix) and then there's Addictive (Dhol Mix) and Tenu Belondi (Desi Mix)
Notkin (it figures that he (they?) is (are?) Russian (Ukranian?)) Yvette
Right now I'm listening to jösh the most. They're easy listening, it's difficult to get sikh of them (...or is it the other way 'round?) and, for better or worse, they're probably the future of mesh's assimilation into the mainstream (...or is it the other way 'round?)
jösh (giving Nelly Furtado a "desi-style" beatdown... or is it the other way 'round?) Powerless (jösh Remix)
the video to Kahbhi is worth a listen. Watch it with your eyes closed the first time, it takes a full thirty seconds to start and the ambiguously gay subtext can be a distraction. When your eyes are opened please feel free to racially profile. Is there a word for androgynous ethnicity? Well, it's got it in spades ...erm, there's a lot of it. It's a truly chilling vision of our future. Someday all bartenders will be like that.

Confused? That is appropriate.

Rats! How could I forget? Grayson Matthews laid down the track for an excellent Bell Broadband commercial that is, for lack of a better term (always for the lack of a better term) tag-team-mesh. At the very least anything that has a didgeridoo, sitar and a button accordion playing at the same time must be something-mesh. It's certainly a fine two minute offense against the Xenophobes aesthetic. Now if only you packed all of those people into a very small dimly lit room in Sofia. Then you'd really have something.

I refuse to believe that there's an apartment/practice space that large and cool in Sherbrooke and, as far as I know, "Grayson Matthews" is a company... and a pretty crispy company at that.

Dhol Wajda - Needless to Say. The sound you'd really like from what I gather of this post :)

Also, you might wanna check out Jay Sean, Juggy D, Rishi Rich and Veronoica (I think they're solo, and also together as The Rishi Rich Project). These are some of the tracks

Nachana Tere Naal(Dance with You) - Rishi Rich Project
Sohniye - Juggy D
One Night - Jay Sean/Juggy D/ Rishi Rich

These ppl have also worked with Bally Sagoo. I really liked the sound of their music :)

Response to entire "mesh" discussion:

I really can't put this music in here. It's existed forever, it's not a specific genre, just a form of innovation that spreads through every genre and always has. Every genre has artists in it that go off and pick up influences from other cultures and stick it in their music, and it always has. The only difference NOW, is that the stuff is being put together - rather than having a house set with one sitar track in it, now they'll play a set that has...say...that house track with the sitar, next to a trance song with mongolian throat singing, beside some breaks with a carribean melody...and so on...
The music is being played together for that reason, rather than by dance genre.

Therefore, it isn't a new genre, it's a new style of DJing, and a prevailing sound in each subgenre that's gaining momentum. Therefore, nothing new is being done here - it's just a kind of innovation gaining more mainstream acceptance.

Correct me if I'm wrong - that's just what I gather from the samples of mesh I listened to, and what I read on the subject. Would these tracks be considered mesh?:

Banco De Gaia - Last Train to Lhasa (a trance classic with Indian warbling)
Mauro Picotto - Proximus (trance with Aboriginal influence)
Ingrid - You Promised Me (House with...I actually don't know what culture influence this is...it's either Greek, Gypsy, Italian, or French - I'm confused with this one)
Junior Jack - E Samba (House with Latin pop)
Tim Deluxe - It Just Won't Do (House with Carribean)
Funkstarr Deluxe - Sun in Shining (House with Carribean Reggae)
Anything by Fractal Glider (Psytrance with Indian music, including tabla songs over acid)
Ambush - Ambush 2 (Trance with African influence)
Future Sound of London - Papua New Guinea (Breaktrance with New Guinean tribal influence)

The entire "tribal" section of dance music is African influence on house/trance/techno/progressive.

Any music done or mixed by DJ Pathaan is downtempo mixed with the music of other cultures

None of these above sounds merit being given their own subgenre - it's just a common addition to every subgenre. Correct me if I'm wrong on this - and I may be.

It's a good suggestion though!

Thank you. That's very nice to hear.

If I understand you then I think that I disagree with you. But you know more about DJing than I do; it might also be that you can see (hear, whatever) the production while I only see (hear, whatever) the product.

It sounds as if you could make the case that Soul "isn't a new genre, it's a new style of" R & B and/or Gospel and I happen to think that you've listed a lot of music styles here that are (and should be) a lot less popular than what I think mesh is. This is not lobbying for an inclusion of mesh... it's your list and not mine. If you love something (and I do) you must set it free.

What I meant to communicate was (my opinion) that it is the struggle between styles that makes mesh so fun and it's what separates it from other genres. It's not integration, assimilation, influence or (for lack of a better term) "spicing up" a track with weird cultural snippets. Always for lack of a better term... and that may be what is still getting hashed out. Here, there, everywhere.

Last Train to Lhasa Last Train to Lhasa's "warbling" doesn't rise to the level of mesh because it serves as an atmospheric effect, not opposition, not even contrast. Along the same lines of reasoning the track also fails to be musique concrète in spite of the train sounds.
Proximus I don't know what is meant by "Aboriginal" and I wish I could recognize the language (but if wishes were horses then we'd all be working for King Augeas.) The neat choir of somebodies serves as separate chorus or interruption that exists without tension between the bookends of whatever that other stuff was.
You Promised Me Most of the time I would say that if something is "either Greek, Gypsy, Italian, or French" we should blame the Gypsies. They're used to it. I think that the accordion used here could easily be any other type of keyboard or annoying instrument played by old men in lederhosen.
E Samba (DJ Novak Breakbeat Remix) or possibly E Samba (DJ Novak Crazy Mix) I'm not sure what "Latin pop" is. Is it music that's popular with Latinos or is it pop music made by Latinos? I think that the vocals here serve as a simple refrain without causing any tension. For me, all the tension comes from that guy who keeps saying "bass... bass-bass." Okay, I get it, "bass." Come to think of it, I'm not sure what "Latino" means.
It Just Won't Do What fun! I don't know what was "Carribean" about it. Perhaps it was the horns and it might have been the horns except that they were looped to serve the lady of the house. The video struck me as House done up Brazilian style. It might be because of all the sun, the colours that Mr. Vicarious is wearing, the women's beach volleyball and the butt fetish. Always the butt fetish. What fun!
Sun is Shining If anything I thought that this was House with a vaguely Jamacian guy doing vocals.
I must thank you for leading me to Fractal Glider's Chasing Ganesha . However nothing that I heard fit the definition of mesh. "Stop chasing Ganesha... you're just gonna get more wrath."

I really enjoy the feedback. Again, thank you. I'd also appreciate knowing if what I've said is clear and makes sense (regardless of whether or not it is correct) from people who are less musically knowledgeable than you are. Okay... that's just about everybody.

I thought this was very timely. It's a review of Shukar Collective's Urban Gypsy. Try not to think about the de-clawed bear.

The DJ Toby Marks tracks are both actually by Banco De Gaia. (the full response is above)

Toby Marks is Banco de Gaia (...or is it the other way 'round?) (a fuller response is above.)

I think I understand now - it isn't just any inclusion of ethnic genres as an addition to the music (which has been done for ages) - it's the inclusion of ethnic genres as a contrast, and only a contrast. Not meshing together...meshing against one another - a kind of ethnic battle in a song. Yes, this is worthy of a new genre - but I'll need one mesh subgenre for each kind of dance music - or maybe a mesh section with each kind of dance music in it.
You seem to be more knowledgable about this kind of music, but this is what I gather would work for mesh genre addtions:
mesh trance
mesh house
mesh breaks
mesh goa
mesh techno
mesh gabber
mesh industrial
mesh rock
mesh pop
mesh ambient (but maybe not - it's pretty hard to go against ambient - there's just no tension in the music already)

What do you think? Is there anything I missed? Anything that clearly wouldn't be a mesh genre? And what do you think would be a good example of mesh for each subgenre? (for help categorizing, this site might help you: www.ishkur.com/music - it will easily identify differences between electronic genres, as it includes vast samples of each).

Thanks again! :)

I don't think you miss much but since it appears that mesh might be a figment of my (our?) imagination I'd be hesitant to slice that piece of genre cake into even smaller pieces. I'd throw it under Cultural. [But which culture?] Aye, there's the rub... and that's probably the point of the whole thing.

House mesh (which is surprisingly difficult to say) could be almost any club DJ with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan samples and the mistaken belief that she understands bhangra. If I understand it properly, trance is too smeared-glossy-integrated to mesh it up. Goa is too beat dominated to allow for give and take (it's just take-take-take-take.) Industrial is sort of the converse of what you said about ambient, there's too much tension in the music already. Gabber is also too driving and domineering to become mesh... you could insert a tabla playing sitarist wearing a dashiki and the beat would still crush her and anyone else in the room.
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Zeus No Like Techno is probaly techno mesh... which I concede might be tribal except that the bouzouki isn't integrated (and that is probaly the point of the whole thing.)
Yeah yeah vs. Haan-Ji (Dhol Mix) is breaks mesh where the mesh is a mash of desi. (Merlin can probably say if I've stumbled here because I'm getting dizzy.)
Tenu Belondi (Desi Mix) is probably jungle mesh as is Notkin.
rock mesh would be Jazba by Junoon (or a medley of their hit No More that's pretty damn Western) or Kaif doing (a cover of Junoon's) Yaar Bina.
Powerless (jösh Remix) is definitely pop mesh as is the video to Khabi (which I really like but maybe we should call it "tresh"?)
While I certainly agree with you about ambient being difficult to meshify I must say that if there ever was such a thing as ambient mesh it would be Peter Gabriel's Love to be Loved.

There's a great streamed radio program about/with Junoon. It's quite illuminating about the tension that ungirds not just mesh but the cultural conflict from which mesh springs. The bassist is Western (not that there's anything wrong with that) and "likes Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and the Yankees." (That would be the Shining Star and the Evil Empire.) They're from Karachi and were a favourite band of Daniel Pearl (and asked to play at his memorial/birthday clebration.) They've been banned in Pakistan and toured America after 9-11 (or "11/9" if you prefer.) I must now say that your substantive knowledge, feedback and probing are helping me refine my thinking about mesh, music, culture and more. (Now that's a great name for a store at the mall.) I can only begin to tell you how much I appreciate that...

...quite a bit.

I apologize for the extreme delay into the whole mesh discussion... but,

Yes, Haanji vs. Yeah Yeah (or the other way round) indeed is mesh. Oye what mesh? I'd go for fusion mesh. Now that's a Big genre.. . Uh, that's actually the whole mesh genre. Maybe not. By saying fusion mesh, I mean any mesh that has West-East Classic fusion. A la Nachna Tere Naal by Rishi Rich, it's an ubber radio hit in England. You can put it under Hip Hop mesh for godssake, but thats mashing the things too much. Also the kind of song that would define it would be Rock Tha Party by Bombay Rockers. I thinks Fusion Mesh is too simplistic and suggestive a name. Can
0dysseus suggest a better name? This whole genre is actually the one that gave birth to the third-generation mesh artists (mainly in London), which have diversified into jungle mesh (Tenu Bolundeeya,which btw happens to be a punjabi folk song), pop Mesh (Josh) etc.
Junoon (aah how I love thee), is not mesh my dear friends. It is pure Sufi Rock. *Merlin gets smacked on the head*. Now Sufi+Rock = Mesh! Aah theres the catch, any local band (local = India+Pakistan) that plays rock can be called as Rock Mesh. So Rock Mesh as it is, can't be given birth to. So, there you are... I'd endorse Junoon, but sadly they've broken up. And Kabhi, is NOT mesh. NO! It is sadly termed as "Indiepop". Mesh would be having trans-cultural subte effect to it. Here, it has all the colours of India.

There you go... Merlin's apologetic rant...

For a genre that might be imaginary we seem to be trying to slice the cake into very small slices. Nobody gets any frosting. I'm not very sure what you mean by "fusion mesh" but I'd say that the concept of "fusion" is antithetical to mesh. I think that "solder" is more appropriate than "fuse." So, considering the culture(s) involved with Rishi Rich and Bombay Rockers, the punster in me would name it "sadhu iron mesh." That'll never catch on. Not in a million years. So I propose calling it "mersh music." (If deconstruction doesn't ruin it for you, mersh is meant to evoke the words mesh, marsh and merge.)

I have a friend who was born in Mumbai (many many years ago) who occasionally tells me very earnestly that London is the only place left on earth where you can still get a decent curry... if you "know where to go." He always knows "where to go." A surprising number of people have told him.

I'm glad that you agree about Haanji v. Yeah Yeah. I think that the Sagoo mash dukes it out with the sample from the song by artist-whose-name-I-can't-remember-for-the-life-of-me. To my ears Rock Tha Party sounds like a ghazal performed by NSync. That is not a slam. I love Punjabi Danish. It's just that I'm not able to hear, as darktremor aptly put it, the "ethnic battle" in the song. (In addition to Punjabi Danish I also like Austrian strudel, Turkish delight, poppy seed bagels and British pop tarts.)

I've thought up a(nother) mesh metaphor. Sometimes in musicals two antagonists will each sing a song intercut with one another. After a little bit they sing the songs simultaneously and you realize" hey! this is one song with two contrasting/competing parts! I'm embarassed to say that the only example that I can think of is Pick-a-little/Goodnight Ladies from The Music Man. I'm far too ashamed to say that I seem to recall Gene Kelly and Olivia Newton-John doing something similar in Xanadu. But that's my meshaphor (so to speak) for the culture clash of mesh.

Nachna Tere Naal baffles me. Perhaps because I don't understand the style(s). I certainly can't object if I want to claim that Jazba is rock mesh. Which I do. It's the high-Qawwality rhythmic pulse (1-2-(and)3-4) being beaten and stoned into the rock beat. I certainly didn't mean to claim that No More was mesh; I just wanted to provide an easier listening example of Junoon. I should've just stuck with Kaif doing Yaar Bina with the taal being wagged by the rock guitar.

I'm sorry to say that I hadn't heard the junews. If ever there was a time for a Sunni-Shiite-fundamentalist Christian rock group it would be now. It's tough when you can only play Unitarian venues. And I'd call Khabi "mush" which is what mesh will be once it gets so established that it has its own Vanilla Ice. Having said that, I do like the song. That may be because I really like Jösh and I'm looking for a reason to like it. (Sikh and ye shall find.)

Stay crispy (and dry, if at all possible.)

If that's an apologetic rant then I have some 'splaining to do. Wow! parentheses in ever paragraph (that sucks.)

"Mersh"... Now why does it sound so good. I like it.
If Nachna Tere Naal baffles you, I suggest you check out "I see you baby (shaking your a**) [D'Caro Remix]" by ' DCaro Vs. Amanda Groove', an incredibly well done cover version of the famous single. It has the ethnic battle in a slightly dirty pitch.Thats the mersh sound I have in head.

I'm really glad you enjoyed Kabhie... it's a great song... I like it too... just I'm conphused if you can call it mesh...

And its impossible to stay dry nowadays, let alone crisp :-S

I've been meaning to say ...
You get your cookie if you can just stay out of the [rhymes with] cane, chain and train.

Does this kinda thing happen to you and yours every other year?

Yes, every other year.

Beats International did a song entitled "Dub Be Good To Me". It is a cover version of the SOS Band song "Just Be Good To Me" sung over the rhythm track of the Clash song "The Guns Of Brixton".

Sugababes did a cover of Adina Howard's song "Freak Like Me" sung over the synthisizer line from Gary Numan's "Are 'Friends' Electric?".

Are these two songs examples of Mesh?